Snape as hero? WAS: Re: Why would Snape want the DADA position?

[unicorn_72]

No: HPFGUIDX 137937


> 
> Alla wrote:
> 
> I think Sherry was only talking about one person, who to her does 
not 
> deserve to be called heroic at the moment. :-) To me too.
> 
> And whether we like it or not, JKR said it in the interview that 
for 
> her it is more interesting  that at the end Hero must do his job 
> alone. So, Harry received a lot of help during the book and 
hopefully 
> she would allow him at least receive help from Ron and Hermione at 
> the end, but I sincerely doubt that any adult will be allowed to 
help 
> him in the final confrontation.
> 
KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

I suppose she did mean one character, but, it still goes back to as 
you say Harry going it alone. Is he the only hero, Has JKR made the 
perfect little hero to go it alone??

Isn't it how you get there that is just as importaint not just the 
last battle?....Is everyone just wating for the climax of the book 
to find interest and to find out Harry did it on his own??? He still 
would not be doing it alone, if he has a little help or minor help, 
just because he faces Voldemort or Snape in the final battle, TO me, 
he is not doing it alone, if he has any help in the book from 
anyone, he's not going alone. No man is an island, though, Snape 
does look like one doesn't he. (laughs)
> 
> 
> 
> Alla wrote:
> 
> As Nora postulated recently you can draw two very different charts 
> for Snape actions throuhout  the books and yes, under Evil!Snape 
or 
> out for himself! Snape it is possible to explain away ALL his 
actions 
> as not heroic at all.
> 
> And under ANY kind of Snape I would never ever call Unbreakable 
Vow 
> to be heroic action. IF Snape is good ( that equals Snape not 
> knowing  the task,correct?) THEN I call him taking the Vow to be 
very 
> idiotic action, because  he basically binding himself to do 
whatever 
> Voldemort asks of Draco , and I think Snape knows  that Voldemort 
> usually asks his followers to do bad very bad things.
> 
> If Snape KNOWS what task is asked so then he chooses to let 
> Narcissa's request override his loyalty to Dumbledore.
> 
> Nope, NOT heroic in my book.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Well, it falls down to if he actually knew what it was Draco had to 
do....but still, If someone came begging to you to save there child, 
I don't know. Maybe he hoped he could get Draco out of it somehow, 
maybe that would explain all that running around and some of the 
things that are confusing and causing so many theories in the book. 
Maybe Snape hoped in taking the vow he could find a way to get Draco 
out of the task. This is one reason some people come up with so many 
idea's on why Dumbledore seemed to expect Draco, and how calm and 
collected Dumbledore was with the boy.

I can see Snape in many ways on why he would take the vow. Was it to 
prove his loyalty in the two Sister's eyes....possibly, but, he 
seemed sorta smug/sarcastic with Belle, as if, I think he wouldn't 
really care what her opinion of him was. So, as he said, If the dark 
lord believes me whats your problem Belle.

I can see it as loyalty to the Malfoy's--If he was very good friends 
with them, regardless of what we think of them--maybe to him, they 
are the only family/friends he has. If this is the case, I can see 
him easily taking the vow with Narcissa.

If you put yourself into his position, if James and Sirius did pick 
on him they way it is portrayed in OOTP, then its easy to draw a 
line and say, Snape would not automaticlly become buddy buddy with 
them, this isn't saying he's right for the choices he has made, its 
just a way to try and understand how it could have happened. Maybe 
he is showing loyalty to the Malfoy's because in some way they are 
the only people that have shown loyalty to him. Sooo, the question 
would be What would he have to be loyal to James/Sirius and the 
people they considered friends, or shall I just say the Order.

It has also been said well he took the vow because he's protecting 
himself from Voldemort. Meh, I don't know I've said this before, 
somehow, I don't see Snape killing Voldemort is going to show 
Voldemort anything, to me, its going to make Voldemort ask too many 
questions, and give Voldemort a reason to be afraid of Snape.

Here is Uni's Prediction, Harry isn't going to kill Snape, Voldemort 
is.....

> Alla wrote:
> 
> If that would mean killing  the only person who ever trusted in me 
> and gave me second chance and kept me from horrible prison 
Azkaban, I 
> most definitely would NOT do it.
> 
> Because my loyalty to that person would override any other 
loyalties  
> I can have, even the loyalty to my friends, who fight on the side 
> against which I am  supposed to be fighting.
> 
> Would that be tragic that I would have to refuse my friend 
desperate 
> plea? YES, of course. But that I would find to  be  the action of 
> true Hero during war time.
> 
> 
KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Well it basicly comes down to if he knows what he had to do, and, 
the little twitch he has on the last part--maybe he didn't expect 
Narcissa to ask that of him. 

It also comes down to this, was Snape pushed into a corner, and my 
most importaint question, Did Snape actually want to kill 
Dumbledore?? Regarless of what we think about Snape, I would like to 
know if he wanted to do it, that to me would say a lot. Maybe by the 
time he got up to the tower it was too late for him to turn back, I 
have a feeling those Death Eaters were not just their to watch Draco 
kill Dumbledore, I have a feeling that if Draco didn't go through 
with it, They were their to kill Draco too.
Why would Snape run so fast, how would he actually know exactly 
where they were?? He was in the dungeon, was this pre-arranged in 
some way that he would know where to look for Dumbledore.

Some have said, well why didn't Snape just kill all the death 
eaters.....wow, and here I was thinking Snape was Super Snape for 
smacking harry around at the end of HBP, now he's going to take on 6 
DE.....If he could do that....What the HECK do we need Harry for??? 
(laughs) For that matter, whats he doing working at a school, he 
should be ruling the world already.....

Oh well, Speaking as a person that her two favorite characters were 
Dumbledore and Snape--I think I'm probably the most anksty member in 
the HP group--BUT, still wants a Happy ending, and doesn't want 
access killing, but, I guess if Snape deserves it then he deserves 
it, but like I said, I don't know if Harry is going to kill Snape, 
for some reason lately I think Voldemort is gonna kill him, or at 
least someone else.

Karen