It's over, Snape is evil (was: Dumbledore and Snape again)

sienna291973 jujupoet29 at hotmail.com
Fri Aug 19 01:38:06 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 138041

Hickengruendler:
I must say, that I do not like what your post implies, namely that 
Harry/Hermione is the pairing for the "deeper" readers, while 
Ron/Hermione is the one for the superficial ones. Maybe I 
misunderstood you, and if that's the case, than I apologize, but it 
sounds to me as if you are saying, that Harry/Hermione would be the 
literary better choice, because Ron's and Hermione's feelings for 
each other were to obvious, with which I do not agree at all.

Now me:
*Sigh* I don't really fancy getting into it to be honest, but my 
point was that when it comes to Snape, it appears to me from the 
evidence in HBP and the way she dealt with the shipping suplots that 
the most straightforward answer is probably the correct one. That's 
all.

I think this issue is far too loaded to try and explain myself any 
further without inviting further criticism. I never suggested H/Hr 
would have been the better literary choice; that's for everyone to 
decide for themselves. I merely said it would have been the more 
subtley developed one (ergo the author's *own* reference to `anvil-
like' clues). My comparison was between the way the subplots were 
developed and the techniques used and NOT with the relative merits of 
each choice. 

I understand that it is not a perfect comparison (and I take your 
point about teenage hormones) but aspects of the situation dynamics 
are similar – particularly with regards to clues potentially pointing 
to ambiguities or contradictions in character motivation that are not 
intended to be taken seriously or are only there to muddy the truth 
or keep us guessing. I hope that has clarified it.

Hickengruendler:
His storyline, OTOH, is all about concealing his true loyalties. Here
the "subtle" explanation (if you want to call it that) is IMO much
likelier to come true, because he is a spy (no matter for which site)
an Occlumancy experts and someone who is generally able to conceal his
true motivations and aims. He either fooled Dumbledore or Voldemort or
both for years, which surely speaks for his abilities as an actor.
Therefore the comparison with romantic feelings of teenagers doesn't
really fit, since the one has hardly anything to do with the other.

Now me:
>From what I've read of JK's interview transcripts regarding Snape, it 
seems to me that these logical holes that get in the way of Evil!
Snape are just that – holes. And, like I said before, for me it bears 
too much resemblance to other logical holes in character behaviour 
and motivation that I had thought to explain away by coming up with 
alternative theories about other plot developments. I think the 
ambiguity in Snape's character has essentially been leading to this 
point in HBP to surprise us (what's more surprising than Harry being 
right about Snape after all these years?). I would not be surprised 
however, if there is similar backlash, once that has been proven post-
Book 7, by those who wanted and thought they'd found something else 
in the books.

Again, just my opinion and I'd love to be proven wrong because 
frankly I find Evil!Snape more than a little boring.

Sienna







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