Why Snape did not take Harry to LV WAS: ( was: Did Snape "murder" Dumbledore?)

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No: HPFGUIDX 138244

> Carodave replies:
> What I don't understand is why Snape wouldn't take Harry to LV, 
> allowing Harry to be killed?  This would remove one of the
obstacles 
> on Snape's path to being a respected Dark Wizard (King Dark
Wizard?) 
> and also further LV's trust in Snape, allowing him to keep LV 
> slightly off balance and increase the chance that Snape can defeat 
> LV.  Right now, Snape (or LV) can defeat Harry.  Who knows if that 
> will be true in the future?  Your thoughts?
> 


Alla:

Oh, we are in the realm of speculation here of course, but I think 
that while Snape IS sure that he can defeat Harry now or later, he 
is 
NOT sure that he can defeat Voldemort, if Voldemort indeed takes out 
Harry now.

Remember how Snape speaks of Dark Lord  during Occlumency? At the 
moment I don't think that Snape is scared of Harry, but I definitely 
think that  he is scared of Voldemort.

So, my answer to the question why Snape does not give Harry as
dessert 
for Voldie to eat up is because Snape wants Voldie dead by Harry's 
hand.

> Vmonte:
> I think that Snape did not take Harry to Voldemort because he is 
> going to wait till Harry destroys all the horcruxes, it's less 
work 
> for him. 
> 
> Once Harry completes this part of the mission he will then go to  
> confront Voldemort. This is where Snape comes back in...
> BWAHAHAHAHA!


Alla:

LOL! Vivian, your answer is even simpler and therefore more elegant 
than mine. Indeed Snape may not even need to wait till final 
confrontation between Harry and Voldie, hoping that Harry would be
the 
winner and then kill him.

He may just wait till Harry destroys Horcruxes and if he is arrogant 
enough, he would try to take out Voldie first.

Seriously though, I am not sure, as I said above I think Snape IS 
scared Voldemort and therefore may be happy to leave him to Harry to 
deal with.

I also cannot decide whether Snape knows about horcruxes in the 
first 
place, because I don't know whether Dumbledore fully informed Snape 
about his mission or just about the curse which was placed on the
ring 
in order for Snape to heal him.

> 
> Alla wrote earlier:
> >[...] 
> > I subscribe to Dan's theory that  Snape did not kill Harry  
because 
> > he knows Prophecy in its entirety and wants Harry to kill Voldie 
and 
> > then take Voldie's palce by eliminating  Harry.
> 
> houyhnhnm:
> 
> "There are only two people in the whole world who know the full
> contents of the prophecy made about you and Lord Voldemort, and 
they
> are both standing in this smelly, spidery broom shed." (HBP, AE, 
p. 
78)


Alla: 
Well, yes. That is what Dumbledore THINKS. Since I believe that he
had 
been wrong many times and that his trust in Snape could be 
misplaced, 
I think that Snape may have :
a) simply figured out the second part of the prophecy;
b) learned it from somebody else ( I like Dan's speculation about 
Slughorn spilling the  beans).

Is it speculative? Sure it is. But I believe it makes sense in light 
of Snape's behaviour throuout the book



> 
> Alla:
> >[...]
> > It WAS painful, no? I think you are downplaying it, when you are 
> > saying it was an equivalent of "bitch slup", but again JMO.
> 
> houyhnhnm:
> 
> "We're going to the hospital wing," said Ginny.
> "I'm not hurt," said Harry. (HBP, AE, p. 612).

Alla:

"I am all right,", he told them. "Just tired" - GoF, paperback, p.700

Harry says it very soon after Graveyard,when it is clear for the 
reader that he is FAR from being all right, IMO.
I think Harry has a tendency to downplay his injuries.

But I am definitely NOT saying that he was badly hurt. I just said 
that he was HURT.

"As Harry raised himself into a sitting position, his head still 
swimming from its last contact with the ground..." - HBP, p.605

So, IMO, at the very least Harry has a concussion, but when Ginny 
offers to go to Hospital Wing he is just preoccupied with the 
matters 
which to him are more important than his health.


My main point was that Snape does not hesitate to inflict pain on 
Harry when it does not conflict with his goals.

IMO, Harry being hurt too badly conflicted with Snape goals at the
end 
of HBP, but Harry being hurt just a bit would be OK, because it 
would 
show Harry that Snape CAN hurt him if he wants to.


Just my opinion of course,

Alla