All the subjects required for an Auror

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 138452


> > Valky said:
> Snape does not *know* Harry is *the* "One" full stop. 
> He only knows "Harry is the one with the power" because he has only
> heard half the prophecy. He could still conclude that the power is 
> the answer, and not the boy. Snape is into "power" like that, being 
> a Slytherin and all.
> > 
> 

Valky:
I have cut snipped and rearranged rather ruthlessly but it is needed
in order to answer these points simply and cleanly not jumpingh from
point to point.

Elyse said:
> So all this speculation of Snape *studying* Harry could
> only take place if and only if, Dumbledore had told him the whole 
> prophecy.
> 

Valky :) 
Ok first off this part, because it has very little at all to do with
the canon discussion below. 

All my speculation of Snape studying Harry has to do with HBP canon.
Not the prophecy. Speculation of Snape studying Harry could take place
completely independent of canon about the Prophecy because it is based
on: 1 Snape Legilimensing Harry in silence especially at the beginning
of the year and also repeatedly throughout the year. 2. The silent
DADA classes Snape spends watching Harry. 3.Small pieces of canon of
what seems to be Snape trying to watch Harry in silence. 4. Snape
giving Harry detention when he is well within his right to expel him.
(and its not to do with hiding the curse he invented, according to
canon he told the other staff *everything*) and finally 5. partly on
Occlumency lessons that occured the year before. 

I just thought we should clear that up before I go on :) the
speculation that Snape was studying Harry is independent of whether I
am right that it has to do with the prophecy.




> Elyse:
> I would like to know of the canon that supports this statement.
> Because, in OoTP I remember the prophecy as being
> 
> "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...
> born to those who have thrice defied him,born as the seventh month 
> dies... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal,but he will 
> have power the Dark Lord knows not..."
> 
> And then Dumbledore says very clearly (canon here)
> 
> "...that Voldemort's information of the prophecy was incomplete..
> ...He heard only the beginning, the part foretelling the birth of a
> boy in July to parents who had thrice defied Voldemort.
> Consequently he could not warn his master that to attack you 
> would be to risk transferring power to you 
> and marking you as his equal.
> So Voldemort naver knew that there might be danger in attacking you,
> that it might be wise to wait, to learn more.
> He did not know that you would have *power the Dark Lord knows 
> not*-"
> 
> Now,
> That clearly shows that Snape *could not* have heard the part about 
> Harry having a power the Dark Lord does not. Because
> 
> 1 - It came after the bit about "marking him as his equal* 
> which DD says Voldy did not know of, and
>  2- Snape could not warn Voldemort that 
> he might risk transferring certain power to Harry
> since he Did Not Know himself!!!!!!!!!!
> 

Valky:
Yes this is all true so my hypothesis is based on a semantic
difference. Snape heard:

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... born to
those who have thrice defied him,born as the seventh month  dies...

In here it is said that The one with the *power to vanquish the Dark
Lord* is Neville or Harry.

Having only this to think about for a decade would have us speculating
and theorising logically on each individual word. So why not Snape?
The word *power* is in here, true not a power that the Dark Lord knows
not. But definitely power that can defeat him.


 
Elyse:
> And we know for sure that he did not know because
> DD told Harry that the only people who knew the full contents of the 
> prophecy were standing in the broomshed.
> 
> Of course, DD could have told Snape later on,
> but I highly doubt this. It was too late in the game 
> to let Snape in on it. Why would DD tell Snape the full prophecy
> sixteen years after it was made?
> Especially when Voldy could have Legilimensed it out of him
> if Snape got caught?


Valky:
I am actully basing this far more dependently on Dumbeldore not
telling Snape more. If he told Snape more then he'd also know that
Voldemort and Harry *must* battle. Plus he wouldn't have enough reason
to study the first two lines as deeply as I am proposing he has, if he
had more information.

:D Nobody has to agree, but I am enjoying exploring the possibilities.

Valky
Remembering, Cedric Diggory