McGonagall and Lupin's reaction to Harry's story (

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> Carol
> >>But I'm getting offtrack, sorry! I want to know if there's more 
to the
> mass rejection of Snape by his fellow Order members than meets the
> eye. Can they really suddenly think that he's always been evil after
> all the risks he's taken for the Order? Is there more to this scene,
> which strikes me as a false note in the narrative, than just a 
shared
> mistrust of Snape by both sides and a very bad position for Snape if
> he wants to continue working with the Order? 
> 
> >>Was anyone else bothered by this scene? Did anyone else feel that
> McGonagall and Lupin, at least, were acting out of character?


Alla:

Well, not necessarily, NO, it does not strike me as a false note in 
the narrative. After all, they did learn that Snape erm... just 
killed Albus.

They are in shock, sure, but the quick turning on Snape may be  the 
way JKR decided to soften the blow for the readers, IF Snape would 
turn out to be ESE. 

I read it as if there never was any trust between other order members 
and Snape in the first place. They trusted Dumbledore's word and  if 
they are shown that Dumbledore was mistaken in his trust of Snape, 
they don't feel the need to trust him either.

One can read it as quick turn around on fellow Order member, but to 
me this scene speaks ill more of Snape than anybody else.

He was working with those people for many years and obviously did not 
manage to secure any kind of trust from them.

Pooor Hagrid, loyal to the core to Dumbledore, who keeps defending 
Snape again and again, must have  been quite a shock to him.

Oh,and no I also doubt that they were acting. Lupin's wild look to me 
speaks volumes against any kind of staged performance.

I think it is  the first time in the series we see Remus' lose 
control, no?

So, I read  this scene as JKR's possible justification for Harry 
being right about Snape after all.

She may be saying to the readers" look, nobody really trusted him in 
the first place, not just Harry.The only person he fooled is 
Dumbledore and he is now dead because of that. So, don't feel too bad 
if you were trusting him too"

Of course I have no clue what JKR is really saying and just 
speculating here. :-)



> Julie:
<snip>
> As you said, it *doesn't* matter if Snape is evil or good in the  
end.
> McGonagall had a long-standing relationship with Snape, and spent
> fifteen years as his colleague, and Lupin prided himself on his 
> fairness. Both knew some of the risks Snape had recently taken for
> the Order. At the very least, they should have expressed some
> momentary doubt that Snape could have fooled DD and everyone 
> else so completely.


Alla:

Well, I am now not so sure that Mcgonagall has long standing 
relationship with Snape. At the very least to me it puts to rest the 
idea that  they are friends with Snape in private. Because if they 
WERE friends, I am sure that she would have been more doubtful. JMO 
of course.

Besides, Lupin WAS defending Snape to Harry during Christmas time, 
no? I am wondering whether he was kicking himself for that at the end.
Maybe they just don't look at it as deep as we do :-)

The fact that Dumbledore is killed by Snape hand is enough for them 
to condemn Snape as evil. :-)

Nora:
> Because it's only been on Dumbledore's guarantee that they knew 
Snape 
> was also not giving information to the DEs and Voldemort about the 
> Order, I suspect.  I think I've illustrated (or at least *tried* 
to) 
> how easily everything Snape does can be read as for his own 
> advancement, at the least--I suspect that's in play here, too.

Alla:

Yep, agreed and maybe this idea is the first one which comes into OOP 
members heads - that Snape IS out for himself after all. :-)



> -Nora does the dance of having finished her written qualifiers


Alla:

Congratulations.:-)


Just my opinion,

Alla.