It's over, Snape is evil /Ruthless Dumbledore?

[Deb]

No: HPFGUIDX 138611

 Alla wrote:
 
 > Nope, I think that he needed Snape to heal him. 
 > Just me of course,  
 > Alla.
 
> zgirnius:
(snip)
> As I see it, the potion in the cave is something Dark and 
dangerous 
> like the curse of the ring, not just a (relatively) simple matter 
of 
> making an antidote. So I agree, DD was expecting Snape to heal 
him, 
> with his expertise in both DA/DADA and Potions. Only, if Snape is 
> dead from breaking the UV or fallen in battle with several DEs, he 
is 
> no longer available. If like the ring curse it requires relatively 
> quick action to counter, death for DD seems a likely outcome.
> 
> Of course, you are right that we do not know how dangerous the 
potion 
> and its effects were, how timely an intervention was required to 
save 
> DD, or how widespread the knowledge to heal the damage is. I feel 
> that at this point the data we have are insufficient to give a 
> complete explanation of all the actions and observed facts 
presented, 
> so we all need to make some reasonable-seeming assumptions to come 
up 
> with coherent theries. To me, the idea that the potion is of 
> sufficient lethality to require very timely intervention, by 
Snape, 
> seems reasonable given we are told by DD himself that such was 
> necessary in the case of the Ring Horcrux. 
> 
> If it turns out to be some Potion Sluggie could whip up an 
antidote 
> for in no time, I will not have difficulty accepting that Snape 
> killed DD solely to save himself. (Or even, if other ambiguities 
are 
> clarified in ways that support such a theory to my mind, that 
Snape 
> killed DD out of loyalty to LV/the DEs.)
> 
> I would not imagine that DD would want Snape to kill him merely to 
> get Snape closer to LV, that does seem a bit much. But I can 
> definitely see the events of the Cave and the Tower putting DD in 
a 
> corner where that starts to seem the best way out of a disastrous 
> situation. I am not in the DD told Snape to kill him before Snape 
> ever took the UV camp...More likely, I would guess that Snape saw 
the 
> options available and the likely consequences, and had concluded 
the 
> best option (in the sabe that is saves the most lives/souls and 
> removes a considerable danger for Hogwarts quickly) would be to 
kill 
> DD and clear out with the DEs, and DD legilimensed this in the 
> moments they gazed at each other after DD said "Severus". Then the 
> follow up "Severus, please" would have been to confirm to Snape 
that 
> DD agreed with this analysis of the situation.

Oh I agree! The potion in that bowl definately is very dangerous. My 
speculation is that it is at least part of what creates an Inferi 
(see also my responce to Gail in post 135340). And I think this 
would be one of those "fate worse than death" situations for DD. 
(Knowing him as we do, I for one, think he would think that being at 
the command of LV to be the ultimate horror... and would that not be 
devastating to the whole WW if DD became LVs minion).  I also think 
that he absolutely knows that Snape can undo this because I suspect 
he and Snape (and maybe he and other OOP members) have tried over 
the years to think of every possible situation that might arise in 
their battles against LV... and draw up contingency plans. While I 
don't think the OOP knew all of DDs plans or maybe just not all  the 
details,  I do think that anything that might involve potions or the 
most nasty, dark, and evil applications of Dark Magic was Snape's 
pervue.  DD might even have had Snape keep an antidote to this 
always available for administration at a moment's notice. 
Unfortunately for DD the moment he needs this antidote desperately ( 
because I am also sure that there is a time frame involved... that 
the antidote must be given quickly or it will not work) the DEs are 
all over the castle and he can not get to Snape fast enough. So it 
came down to either letting Draco kill DD and split his young soul 
there by creating an opportunity for yet another Dark Wizard to 
arise. Or continuing to exist as an Inferi... Or implementing 
the "worst case scenario ultimate back up plan".... Snape has to 
kill DD.... and I would guess it has to be done in a certain way to 
insure that his body can never be used in anyway by LV or any other 
Dark Wizard who might come along. To my way of thinking 
DDs "Severus, please" is a reminder to Snape of his promise to carry 
out this plan, and an order to "please get on with it, you know what 
I have asked you to do" much as he has said to Snape and others at 
other times. And IMO Snape's hatred and disgust at doing this is 
just that... hating to be in this position, hating to carry out this 
action, hating LV and the circumstances that make this the only 
option, disgust at the thought of what DD could become if he did not 
act, disgust at having to be the agent for DD's death, and hidden 
under all that(for Snape can not allow anyone one to know his inner 
feelings as to do so would certainly spell his death at the hand of 
LV), great sorrow and anquish at the loss of his mentor.  

 Deb (aka djklaugh)