Snape didn't kill DD with AK!! And here's the evidence...

mt3t3l1 mt3t3l1 at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 24 13:33:28 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 138629

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "clarinut76" <clarinut76 at y...> 
wrote:
> > > Merrylinks writes:
> > "An obvious question is, how can you verbalize one spell but cast 
> > another spell nonverbally? JKR may give us a foreshadowing of 
this 
> > when Harry *hears* the word "Expelliarmus" but *experiences* a 
> > Freezing Charm. Throughout the rest of the scene, Harry continues 
to 
> > hold his wand, so the Expelliarmus did not work on him. However, 
he 
> > does remain rigid and immobile--the result of a successful 
nonverbal 
> > Petrificus Totalus cast by Dumbledore."
> 
> I thought that it was Malfoy who cast the Expelliarmus?  HBP AE pg 
> 584 "The door burst open and somebody erupted through it and 
> shouted, "Expelliarmus!"  Then, further down, "Then, by the light 
of 
> the Mark, he saw Dumbledore's wand flying in an arc over the edge 
of 
> the ramparts and understood...Dumbledore had wordlessly immobilized 
> Harry, and the second he had taken to perform the spell had cost 
him 
> the chance of defending himself."

That's correct. The example was meant to show that the spell you hear 
may not be the one you experience.

On another branch of this thread Valky said, "I'd like to pass the 
genius title around the boards to the other keen-eyed readers but I'm 
not sure I can remember everyone who has contributed to finding those 
inconsistencies with the AK. The faked AK is based on the two spells 
at once thing I unearthed from the end of OOtP battle between DD and 
LV, so I'll hang on to the "g" or the "e" ;D "

I checked out the battle in the Ministry of Magic and, sure enough, I 
found this:

Dumbledore brandished his wand in one, long, fluid movement -- the 
snake, which had been an instant from sinking its fangs into him, 
flew high into the air and vanished in a wisp of dark smoke; the 
water in the pool rose up and covered Voldemort like a cocoon of 
molten glass --

That example shows two spells cast successfully at the same time. So, 
while we don't have a perfect parallel to an *unsuccessful verbal 
spell* cast simultaneously with a *successful nonverbal spell*, all 
done *by the same person*, we probably have enough evidence that such 
a thing can be done.


During the night I thought of another aspect to Snape's supposed 
killing of Dumbledore. Let's assume that the AK was actually a 
nonverbal Impedimenta. If Snape blasted Dumbledore off the tower and 
let him fall to his death, he still killed him, right? But one part 
of the description does not match the effect of an Impedimenta: "For 
a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining 
skull, and then he fell slowly backward, like a great rag doll, over 
the battlements and out of sight."

If we were only seeing an Impedimenta, we would expect Dumbledore to 
be blasted into midair and then fall to earth in the usual way. This 
sounds more like POA and the Dementors on the Quidditch 
pitch: "Dumbledore...ran onto the field as you fell, waved his wand, 
and you sort of slowed down before you hit the ground." If everyone's 
eyes were focused on Dumbledore as he was in midair, Snape could have 
done something similar after the Impedimenta.

Granted, this does not explain the trickle of blood from Dumbledore's 
mouth or the strange angle of Dumbledore's arms and legs as he lay on 
the ground. Nevertheless, it is possible that Dumbledore was 
extremely close to death as he wordlessly communicated with Snape on 
top of the tower. Snape, although he hated the thought of appearing 
to kill Dumbledore, performed the fake AK/Impedimenta, and Dumbledore 
died on his own from the effects of the poison potion, either as he 
fell slowly to the foot of the Tower or in the moments afterward. 
(Remember, it took Harry a while to get back to Dumbledore's body. If 
DD were still alive after the fall, he could have chosen to release 
the Petrificus Totalus on Harry at the time of impact and then have 
died shortly thereafter.)

Merrylinks, realizing that things aren't always what they seem in the 
world of JKR






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