[HPforGrownups] Re: I KNOW WHAT SNAPE WANTS!

[Kathryn Jones]

No: HPFGUIDX 138686


  Richard here:
> 
>  >From what I've read, my impression is that though Dumbledore had been
> seeking memories of Voldemort for some time, he did not know that
> there were horcruxes involved until AFTER the CoS appearance of Tom's
> diary.  Even had he strongly suspected such prior to that episode,
> what canon is there to support that he believed such sufficiently to
> take the course of action he did BECAUSE he thought there might be a
> fragment of Voldemort's soul in Harry?
   Richard

Kathy writes:
    Actually, my impression is that Dumbledore suspected something was 
happening to Voldemort when he applied for a job. His appearance was 
beginning to change that far back. Dumbledore could well have been 
curious about what was likely to cause such changes. Once the events at 
Godric's Hollow were over, and it became obvious that Voldemort was not 
actually dead, Dumbledore started his fact gathering mission. He may 
have had his suspicions.
KJ
> Richard
> A linguistic point that may be important: a horcrux is aon object
> that by use of a spell contains a fragment of a soul.  The horcrux is
> not the fragment of soul itself ... or that's the way I read it. 
> Further, the danger I see in using a living thing as a horcrux is the
> mortality of the living thing itself. 
   Richard

Kathy writes:
   I think we are all in agreement that if it happened at all, it 
certainly was not done intentionally. It was an accident.
KJ

   Richard
> The choice of a blood-based protection for Harry seems very obvious,
> and not contradictory at all with my line of reasoning.  It was his
> mother's love and sacrifice that protected Harry from Voldemort, and
> evidently Dumbledore believed there were enduring residual effects
> from this protection to be derived from contact with Harry's
> remaining blood relative: Petunia. 
   Richard

Kathy writes:
   Don't forget that something happened to that as a result of Voldemort 
using Harry's blood to get himself a body. It was after that when the 
connection between them grew stronger. Voldemort using Harry's blood was 
thought to decrease the effects of Lily's protection as Voldemort could 
now touch Harry. Something about that also caused Dumbledore a triumph 
of some sort.
KJ

   Richard
> I also don't see that a fragment of Voldemort in Harry would lead to
> external Voldemort possessing Harry in a manner that would show Harry
> what external Voldemort wanted him to see.  I think it POSSIBLE, but
> not a strong argument, nor even evidence.  Rather, we have that
> Voldemort didn't know what diary!Tom had been up to, nor that it had
> been KILLED.
   Richard

Kathy writes:
   I think that canon shows that Voldemort still can not actually 
possess Harry because of Harry's own protections. He can affect his 
actions and thoughts. Thereis obviously something causing this 
connection and HBP was all about horcruxes and soul splits. This has to 
tell us something.
KJ