Apologizing to Snape?

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No: HPFGUIDX 139124

> zgirnius:
> I don't get this line of argument. Why would Harry feel any 
> worse/differently now for having said to Snape at some point last 
> year "Gee, I wanted to apologize for sneaking a peek at your 
Pensieve 
> during the Occlumency lesson. It was wrong of me."? <snip>


Alla:


The way I see it is close to what Phoenixgod said earlier in the 
thread - I believe that Snape would perceive Harry's apology as 
weakeness and yes, would have used it as possibility to hurt and 
belittle Harry even more.

I have no idea if this is what Eggplant meant though. 


Zgirnius: 
> And, for the record, if I were Snape's mother...he's been needing 
lots 
> and lots of advice about how to treat other people for about 6 
books 
> now. We could start far earlier in the books with the apologies!


Alla:

LOL! I am glad to hear from someone that Snape needs to take major 
responsibility for his actions :-) One could think that abused child 
somehow  bears  major responsibility in repairing the relationship 
between him and his abuser teacher.



> Lady Indigo:
<snip>
Of course there must have been 
> retaliation at some point, but isn't there a certain importance to 
the 
> Marauders' relationship with Snape 90% of the time being 
represented as
> something much worse than a mutual crossing of swords?

Alla:


May I ask you where do you get 90% of the time figure?




Lady Indigo:
...is more about Harry taking the high road. So much of what I'm 
hearing 
> against this comes down to "but Snape is also a bastard and he did 
this 
> thing and he would do this stuff later." And my answer is, so? 
<snip>This isn't about Snape's actions, it's about *Harry* finding 
> that maturity and rationality. 

Alla:

Well, what you would hear from me is that IMO it would be completely 
unrealistic for Harry to find this maturity  towards  the man who 
behaved so horribly towards him the moment Harry arrives to WW.

I think it is a sign of very good writing that Harry cannot forgive 
Snape yet, because Snape hurt him so very badly.



Lady Indigo:
> As, yes, deeply horrible as Snape has been, Harry is no saint and 
yet Harry 
> is our hero. So it's his actions I'm more concerned with, whether
> or not he's 16. This is a coming of age tale, and so I will, yes, 
point out 
> where he completely fails to act like an adult.

Alla:

I am twice Harry's age and if anyone would treated  me just as 
horrible as Snape treated Harry all those years and I would witness 
Snape killing my mentor, I would unfortunately completely failed to 
act as an adult too, most likely :-)


But as I said upthread, I am pretty sure that Harry would forgive 
Snape when he comes out of age, but definitely not because Harry has 
to, IMO.


> Lady Indigo:
 We also have 
> all those references to Snape being attacked alone by four people,
> as opposed to the Trio vs. Draco and CrabbenGoyle.

Alla:

Snape said it once,when he was duelling with Harry. What are the  
other references?



> tbernhard2000:
> >Snape found refuge at Hogwarts too.
> 
> Lady Indigo:
> When? He found refuge in his magic making him feel better than 
powerless, 
> sure, but he was bullied, isolated, and not nearly given the
> attention and love Harry was.

Alla:


Could you give more prove, please that Snape did not found refuge in 
Hogwarts (Besides Pensieve scene of course)?

Consider the following hypothetical, please. I think vmonte was  the 
one who raised it.

Suppose Draco puts the memory of him provoking Harry at the end of 
GoF in the pensieve?

Do you think it would give us much of objective picture of 
Draco/Harry relationship through Hogwarts?

Was it nice  of Trio and twins to attack  Draco like this? Of course 
no, but Draco had no business to come to their appartment and  taunt 
them with death threats, IMO.

So, my original point was that  it is quite likely that Snape found 
refuge in Hogwarts, just as Harry did.


Unless you submit  that Draco is treated in Hogwarts worse than 
Harry, of course.


JMO,

Alla