Trelawney's Prediction/How like your father

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No: HPFGUIDX 139191

Potioncat here:
I'm weaving threads here...hopefully into a cloth of some merit. Here 
are snipped portions of two un-related threads. First Irene 
discussing Snape's possible view of Harry; then Phil discussing 
Trelawney's predictions. Both influenced by LV.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/138516
In Post 138516 Irene wrote:
>snip 
> In his talks with Bella and Narcissa, Snape mentions
> something like "at first I've suspected that Harry can
> become the next Voldemort". What if it's true, does
> this explanation fit the facts?

> snip
> Did Snape's Dark Mark hurt at the same moment when
> Harry's scar did, at the beginning of Year 1? That
> would make him very suspicious from the beginning.
> 
snipping  comparison of Harry to Tom (excellent, btw)

> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/138640
In Post 138640 Phil wrote:
> Trelawney's Prediction.
> After reading the day of Voldemort's birth in HBP, Chapter 
thirteen: 
 
> 
New Year's Eve and
 she had the baby within the hour. And
> she was dead in another hour."
> 
> 
> Makes this prediction from GoF, Chapter thirteen, more
> interesting:
> "Saturn, dear, the planet Saturn!" said Professor Trelawney, 
sounding
> definitely irritated that Harry wasn't riveted by this news. "I was 
saying
> that Saturn was surely in a position of power in the heavens at the 
moment
> of your birth. ... Your dark hair ... your mean stature ... tragic 
losses so
> young in life... I think I am right in saying, my dear, that you 
were born
> in midwinter?"
> 
> Phil, who thinks she is more correct in her predictions than wrong.



Potioncat again:

Irene suggests that Snape had reason to think that Harry was a Dark 
wizard, and Phil suggests that the bit of Voldy in Harry may have 
thrown off Trelawney. Two different posts that remind me of a third. 
One I can't find. It was written pre HBP by Kneasy and suggested
that 
Snape has long been aware of the bit of Voldy that resides in Harry.  
A bit that made him very uncomfortable. Snape may have arranged the 
Serpensortia spell (not sure if it was called that in the book) in 
order to test Harry's Parseltongue ability; or at any rate, his 
speech confirmed Snape's suspicions. Snape would be justified in
his concern that Potter would have some evil potential.

It was also suggested long ago, that if there was an actual bit of 
Voldy in Harry, it might have influenced Trelawney's predictions.
It 
was even suggested at that time that perhaps Tom Riddle was born mid-
winter. Trelawney could be making predictions about LV rather than 
Harry. So that the part of Harry that is LV might have a short life 
and will die in book 7; the part of Harry who is Harry will become 
the MoM and have 12 kids. 

Thanks, Phil, I think this part had been forgotten and I didn't
catch 
TR's birth date in my read of HBP. Doesn't this also make
Snape and 
Riddle members of the same Zodiac sign? Does that add anything to our 
mix?

I was also wondering if the Tarot reading Trelawaney was doing, with 
Harry nearby, was influenced by the bit of Voldy in Harry? I know 
nothing about how the cards are read, but I imagine LV has little 
affection for the person whose prediction caused things to go so 
badly.

And back to Snape's comment to Bella in "Spinner's
End":
"
rumors that he himself was a great Dark wizard, which was how
he 
had survived the Dark Lord's attack. Indeed, many of the Dark
Lord's 
old followers thought Potter might be a standard around which we 
could all rally once more
"

Could this have been the conversation that Draco and Theo were 
supposed to have when Mr. Nott visited Mr. Malfoy (edited scene 
mentioned at JKR's web site.) Back in PS/SS Snape would know the 
truth, but he would also know that his students believed this story. 
He would 
also know that Harry was a celebrity. I think his first class 
demonstrated to the Slytherins that Harry was not a powerful Dark 
wizard. (At least not yet.) And it makes a good point now with the 
Black sisters. After all, Lucius had probably suggested Draco cozy up 
to Harry for this very reason. Not a bad idea, to be friends with the 
future Dark Lord. Narcissa would know it, even if Bella didn't. So 
his comments about it in Spinner's End would ring true.

Potioncat, hoping she made these threads come together in something 
that made sense and not just a cat's cradle.