Apologies and responsibility

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Lady Indigo: 
....and let's not forget whose side Snape 
> has been on this whole time in the first place.

Alla:

Yes, that is a very good question after HBP.




Lady Indigo:
 And I have my sympathies just as much as you have yours, though I'm 
> NOT alone in mine regardless of how many people have been silent on 
Snape's 
> part in this thread.

Alla:

This is absolutely true. :-)



Lady Indigo:
> Regarding what Harry has done wrong, I only make these points: 
> 
> 1. Snape had important skills to teach Harry, and Harry never even 
tried to 
> tough these lessons out, in spite of how Dumbledore said they were 
> necessary.

Alla:

I submit that we don't know that anymore after HBP. Have you noticed 
that Dumbledore not only cheerfully calls Occlumency lessons a Fiasco
But he does not even bother to teach Harry Occlumency anymore.

It seems to me that Occlumency may not be vital tool that Harry needs 
to defend Voldie.


Lady Indigo: 
> 2. Harry intruded on a private and humiliating memory of Snape's 
and never 
> made a full attempt at apology for doing so.

Alla:

No, he did not and if the relationship between Snape and Harry would 
have been different, I would  be the first one to say that he should


Lady Indigo: 
> 3. Harry never told Snape that what his father did was wrong and he 
is 
> sorry, not for existing or in the name of taking on his father's 
deeds, 
> simply *sorry that it happened to Snape.* Which, considering his 
reaction to 
> the memory, is true.


Alla:

Harry felt sorry for Snape, which I consider to be pretty big deal, 
again considering Snape's tereatment of Harry all these years and I 
have no doubt that if Snape would not have threw him out, Harry would 
have told him just that.

Just as he told Albus that he WAS sorry for looking in his Pensieve.



LAdy Indigo: 
> 4. Harry also never told Snape that to a degree Snape was right 
about his 
> father (but that Harry is NOT his father and should not be treated 
the same 
> way).



Alla:

OK, to this point I would never agree even for the sake of argument. 
IMO, for Harry to tell Snape that Snape was right about his father, 
would be validating Snape's grossly inappropriate remarks about James 
in the first place.

And to me those remarks should not be validated, EVER.





Lady Indigo:
<snip>
> Would it have worked if he did? Probably not. But he would have 
tried.
> Is it a lot to expect from him? Yes. But it's still not the best 
response to 
> those few moments. It's definitely a realistic response. I'm just 
saying 
> that Harry has not been a saint and, most importantly, has not done 
> everything he could do for his OWN benefit, not Snape's.
> Does this excuse Snape's actions towards Harry? Hell no.


Alla:

OK, I confess, you absolutely lost me here. You agree that expecting 
Harry to apologise would NOT be realistic writing, right?

So, why would you want it to be there?

Who would have apologised to man who made his life hell for five 
years, even if the boy's actions were wrong, wrong, wrong?


Harry is definitely not a saint, and I love him for that. His 
reactions  are often  the reactions of normal sixteen year old.

For what reason  he would have to decided that he needs to apologise 
after the fact,especially after everything that happened?

Harry does not have parents ( partially thanks to dear Snape) who 
would have probably told him that it is  better to take the high road 
and apologise to this jerk. ( Hmmm, I can just imagine James saying 
that :-))

As Lupinlore said Dumbledore actually NEVER insisted for Harry to 
show Snape extra gratitude, just to call him Professor,as any other 
teacher.

See, since I expect Harry to forgive Snape at the end, to me it would 
be action of the saint already and  difficult enough to swallow.

I would much prefer Harry NOT to behave  like one till the end of the 
books at least.

I much prefer normal teenager's reactions :-)


JMO of course,

Alla.