Horcrux in each book?Using the Mirror of Erised to find Horcruxes
h2so3f
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Fri Dec 2 10:14:48 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 143897
Will wrote:
"There is no proof that the diary can't interact without the piece
of soul imprisoned inside it. The Marauders Map can interact
with the reader and there isn't a soul within it. I'm sure there
is a magical way for a diary to interact, especially with
Voldemort's magic. If the Marauders could do it, I'm sure
Voldemort could. The Diary is only proof of Voldemort's direct
line to Slytherin. "
CH3ed:
Not a proof, but I recall that Harry recognized it as muggle-made.
So the diary was originally an ordinary diary. LV bewitched it to
first become a pensieve, then a horcrux. So the magical qualities
came from LV's magic (which, I believe, had DD had his hands on it
before it was destroyed he should have recognized that it wasn't an
ordinary diary). I just thought that the addition of a soul piece
into the mirror should have changed its property or ability somewhat.
Also, I think what really proved that LV was and is the heir of
Slytherine was not the diary itself but the fact that LV found the
chamber of secret and could control Slytherin's basilisk.... as
demonstrated by the memory/soul that resided in the diary.
Will wrote:
"Remember that before HBP, Dumbledore suspected, but didn't know
about Voldemort using Horcruxes. AND in HPB Dumbledore was wrong
about the Horcrux at the cave, because it was a fake." <snip>
CH3ed:
Somebody beat DD to the cave horcrux, that is true, but DD was not
wrong about the cave being the hiding place of a horcrux. I
mentioned the cave to illustrate that DD was good at detecting
traces of magic.
What I wonder about the cave episode is whether DD detected that
someone other than LV had been there last (if he did, he didn't
mention it to Harry). He was talking about the spells that defended
the horcrux and the cave, but I don't recall him talking about trace
magical evidence of security breach there (how did RAB get in and
out of that place without leaving traces?).
Will wrote:
" Dumbledore is fallible as we can see here. Horcruxes are not to be
detected by others I believe, if they were easily detectable, then
there wouldn't be a point of making them." <snip>
CH3ed:
I agree that DD is fallible and that horcruxes are probably
generally made to be as undetectable as possible (or is it just the
way they are hid?), but DD did find 2, the ring and the locket (tho
RAB beat him to the latter). The diary horcrux was an exception
because it was to serve another purpose beside being a simple
horcrux.
I don't know if DD noticed that the locket in the basin at the cave
was fake when he scooped it up and pocketed it. He was very weakened
from the potion and there wasn't time for him to discuss it with
Harry as they escaped from the inferi. And then DD was really
suffering from the potion so that he wanted to see Snape ASAP... and
then he saw Snape...and, well,.... that was that. No more discussing
things for DD. ;O)
Will wrote:
"Even if Dumbedore did detect a Horcrux inside the Mirror, he would
have to destroy it, then what's to protect the stone?" <snip>
CH3ed:
Perhaps DD could have kept the stone with him? or at his house and
use the fidelius charm to hide it? or the room of requirement
(unless it was really true that he didn't find out about that room
until the night before the yule ball in GoF...while looking for a
bathroom)?
Basically anything but putting the life-sustaining philosopher's
stone in a thing that was also housing one of LV's soul piece.
Also I really can't see DD having less will power than Harry does.
After all DD was the one who told Harry not to put too much into
what the mirror shows and that it is not good to dwell in what the
mirror shows so that one forgets to live (I don't have the book at
the moment so I'm paraphrasing).
I find your theory about LV liking that mirror because it might show
him being all powerful interesting, though. Hey, isn't there a
psychologist among us (sorry, I don't remember who)? I wonder what
he thinks of that.
CH3ed likes the speed the net goes at 2AM...tho not the insomnia
that keeps him up at such ungodly hour. :O)
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