Retribution for Snape the Teacher (was Snape, Hagrid and Animals)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 143966

Leslie:
As for Snape's "hysteria," the only time I recall him becoming
hysterical was in PoA, when he nearly lost it at the end there when
Black escaped.  
> 
> Yet, of course, everything he was accusing Harry of was absolutely
true, and DD was trying to shut him up despite that.  I might have
gotten hysterical myself.

Valky:
As would I probably have gotten a bit hysterical. But, to be honest,
Snape had no proof of his accusations so I don't think DD was trying
to shut him up as trying to help him see reason. The only proof of
what Harry and Hermione had done was Hermione's time-turner, if Crouch
had gotten his hands on that Timeturner the kids would face the worst
of punishments imaginable for saving an innocent man from a fate worse
than death, there's no comparison between that and Snape's
self-centred vengeful bloodthirst is there? I mean would you really
think that it was preferable for DD to encourage Snape to uncover this
incriminating evidence on the two kids, how could the penalty for what
they had done possibly be fairer than Snape being made to go to his
bedroom and think over his behaviour? Snape clearly got what he
deserved, he did after all, show himself keen to destroy two men over
some silly childhood frustration. 

Leslie:
> Truthfully, we don't exactly know what DD might have said to Snape
during the summer after the occlumency lessons.  He did refer to them
as a "fiasco," and thus I think it might be logical to believe that DD
and Snape had words about it.  But I have no doubt that there was no
humiliation involved.  DD has an enormous amount of pity and
understanding of Snape.  He made a mistake in letting Harry take
occlumency lessons with him, but he regards it as his own mistake, for
not understanding how deep Snape's wounds ran, and that they were in
fact, to his mind, unhealable.
> 

Valky:
I wouldn't say unhealable so much as just unhealed. IIRC Dumbledore
hoped that Snape had overcome his problems from his childhood but he
was mistaken about that. I don't think he alludes as such to being
resigned that Snape couldn't heal, I don't think it would be in
Dumbledore's nature to believe that an emotional hurt couldn't
eventually be overcome if the person really wanted that. IOW it seems
to me that DD is saying Snape wasn't ready, rather than Snape was
permamnently damaged. He hasn't found "how" to heal yet. I'd go as far
as to say he really doesn't "want' to let go of the pain because it
defines him in some way, but that's just IMHO. 


Lupinlore?:
> And there's no one left, really, who can humiliate him. 

Valky:
Harry is in the perfect position to humiliate Snape about his teaching
methods as well as his evil deeds. Snape's worst regret of his life,
according to Dumbledore, was having been involved in James and Lily's
deaths. Quite frankly I think that DD DID know this for sure and the
"Don't call me coward!" scene where *James* is the subject proves that
this reason is as ironclad as Dumbledore said it was. 

Harry is the orphan of that great regret. Harry has more power to
humiliate Snape than anyone ever has had (more than James and Sirius
had too!). OTOH Harry has a whole lot of mercy and compassion to go
with that Snape won't need to beg for that. 

I see Snape on his kness for forgiveness. 

Valky