Snape's teaching methods/Neville

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> Christina:
> 
> I saw Neville's performance on the OWLs as more of a testiment to 
> Snape's success as a teacher, as opposed to a physical absence of 
> Snape during the exam.  <SNIP>The bottom line to the 
> Potions OWL is that Snape taught the kids what they needed to know.  
> When it came down to an objective exam, the students excelled 
> because Snape taught them well.  The most basic form of assessing 
> whether or not Snape taught successfully is looking at whether or 
> not his students learned the subject he was teaching.  Neville did 
> decently well on his Potions OWL; therefore, he learned Potions.  So 
> Snape's methods *did* work.  Neville left his Potions schooling 
> knowing what he needed to know.


Alla:
I believe that whatever Neville and Harry learned at Potions , they 
learned despite Snape, not because of him, but I realise that we are 
disagree. I think that it speaks to abismal failure of Snape as a 
teacher if students KNOW that they perform better when the teacher is 
not there.

But you convinced me that Neville gets a passing grade in Potions, 
since quote from PS/SS seems to be strong evidence that student can be 
expelled if flunked the subject.

I indeed had those objections you stated to the Crabb and Goyle 
repeating their OWLs, but Harry's thought about Goyle not returning 
seems to be a proof that he could have been expelled.

Moreover, even though as I said I am convinced that Neville passes the 
Potions, I am not convinced that he is learning everything he could.

Because if he performs better when Snape is not there, that means to 
me that Neville could learn much MORE with different teacher.

So, to me it shows that Snape actually stops Neville from learning, 
not helps him.

JMO obviously,

Alla