Two scenes for most everyone (was Re: Retribution for Snape the Teacher)

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 144187

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lagattalucianese" 
<katmac at k...> wrote:
 
> >
> > colebiancardi
> > (who is older & much more wiser when it comes to May-December 
> > relationships)
> > 
> What has the world turned into while I was off writing computer 
> manuals and not paying attention? If we called out the Romance 
Police 
> every time an older male fictional construct and a younger female 
> fictional construct decided they liked one another and wanted to 
hold 
> hands and gaze into each other's eyes, Jane Austen, for one, 
wouldn't 
> fare very well. How much older than Emma is Mr. Knightly? And he's 
> been "eyeing her" for a fair number of years before she gets it 
> through her dizzy little head that she's in love with him and just 
> maybe has done something very, very silly. Does that make him a 
> sexual predator? Because he's willing to keep his peace and let her 
> come around to the idea on her own? What about Marianne Dashwood 
and 
> Colonel Brandon? Would you rather she married Willoughby (as whom 
> IMHO Ron has roughly about as much gumption)? For that matter, how 
> much older than Elizabeth is Mr. Darcy?

Colebiancardi:  LOL.  So, I am assuming as you write computer 
manuals, you have paid attention to the fact that we are now in the 
21st century, not the early 19th century, where women's choices about 
what they could do with their lives was much more limited than 
today.  Mr Knightly is not that much older than Emma and Marianne 
married Brandon not out of passionate love, IMHO.  You can't look to 
the movies, they will hollywoodized them.  I think you made some 
typos in your statement, because none of the women are older than the 
men – unless that was your attempt at being sarcastic.  Back in the 
days when these novels were written, men did marry younger women, 
because of the children factor.   Times change – thank God.  Women 
are no longer property of men either.  My favorite book of that era 
is Wuthering Heights – but you don't seem me using that novel as a 
basis for trying to make something canonical in the HP series.

I don't think the WW is far off from today's roles for men & women – 
Some women, like Molly, choose to stay home & raise children.  Others 
choose not to.  As Hermione has one foot in the WW and one foot in 
the muggle world, I am sure she knows what choices are available for 
women.  Matter of fact, based on her comments on what she wanted to 
do after Hogwarts, it wasn't about teaching, but more of an advocate 
of some civil rights issue - RE: SPEW.

> 
> We're talking about two people who've been annoying and otherwise 
> interacting with each other for six or seven years, and have gotten 
> to know one another pretty well.  
<big snip>
>And the fact that you think it's Blechhh has 
> absolutely nothing to do with anything. If they aren't right for 
one 
> another, they'll find out soon enough, but again, it's their issue 
to 
> sort out. And J.K. Rowling's, of course. Nobody else's

colebiancardi:  
but it ain't canon.  If you are going by that route, I would say that 
Snape & Neville are the ones to hook up, because I think they have 
had more interaction that Snape & Hermione.   Yep, me thinking it is 
blecchhh has nothing to do with anything, just like your bit of 
fanfic that you proposed has nothing to do with anything, it isn't 
canon and isn't going to happen.  JRK has made Ron & Hermione a 
couple and that had more canon to prove they were destined to be for 
one another with all of their interaction.   Nora said it best in her 
post:

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "nrenka" <nrenka at y...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lagattalucianese" 
> <katmac at k...> wrote:
> 
> > Well, I guess for the sort of people who think that sort of 
thing, 
> > that's the sort of thing they think. To me, Ron is the ultimate 
> > Blechhh Factor. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
> 
> Canonically, at least Hermione doesn't find there to be a Blechhh 
> factor regarding Ron.  It's a nice arbiter when we all can't seem 
to 
> agree on our personal tastes--defer to the fictional characters' 
own 
> decisions. :)
 
> I don't get the impression that Hermione knows Snape 'pretty well' 
at 
> all; does she know what he likes to do in his spare time?  What he 
> reads?  What he actually thinks about his job?  As none of us 
readers 
> actually know any of this material and seem to be profoundly 
divided 
> on issues like Snape's basic personality qualities, I'd be 
surprised 
> if she knew so much more than we did.  Likewise on the reverse: 
> despite the fanfic chestnut of "He'd been secretly watching Miss 
> Granger for years...", I don't get the impression that Snape knows 
> more about Hermione than he sees in class, or more importantly that 
> he's interested in knowing more.  And he's profoundly dismissive of 
> her in the classroom.
> 
>  
> If you're going for canon plausibility (which may never have been 
the 
> point of this thread), I suspect that JKR would poke Hermione (who 
> she's admitted is like her younger self) and say "Who on earth 
would 
> want Snape in love with them?"  YMMV.

And finally, because Bruce's comment was uncalled for:

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Alan Wilson" 
<bawilson at c...> wrote:
 
> Bruce:
 
> As for Snape/Hermione, although I can't see it myself, the 'sexual 
predator'
> remark from I forget which puritanical member is going too far.  
Hermione is
> past the age of consent in several countries, and is pretty close 
to it in the
> WW.

Colebiancardi:  My much younger boyfriend laughed at the puritanical 
comment.  I was the one who mentioned it, not just for the age 
factor,  but the student-teacher relationship would have been 
abused.  My point was that unless Snape woke up on Hermione's 17th 
birthday and decided "she" was the one that puts him in a position of 
a sexual predator.  I don't know where people live, but a) Hermione 
lives in the UK, not in other countries, and b) here in the states, 
teachers have been fired and/or thrown into jail for inappropriate 
conduct with students.  And court orders have stayed on the books for 
the teacher to stay away from the former student, even when the 
student is an adult.  Case in point, Mary Kay Letourneau.  The ex-
student had to petition to the court to let him see Mary Kay.  And he 
was 21 years old at the time when she was released from jail.  

I work for a college and there are strict rules on sexual conduct 
between students and professors – from our guidebook: 

Any member of the University community found responsible for 
violating the sexual assault and sexual misconduct policy is subject 
to disciplinary action up to and including dismissal. The standard 
used to determine accountability is whether it is "more likely than 
not" that the accused has violated the policy. 

And these are for adults – of age.  


Colebiancardi(my final word on this topic, as it got WAY off HP 
discussion)