Snape Harry and forgiveness/ judaism related/Canon for the Snape being abus

[ornadv]

No: HPFGUIDX 144290

>Lupinlore
>It is true that Snape's evil is not the same as Voldemort's
>evil that does not mean Snape's actions are not evil. It's true
>that Snape's abuse is not the same as abuse perpetrated by others.
>That does not mean it isn't abuse, which it most definitely is.

Orna:
I would like to relate to this question from the angle of what is 
considered abuse in the WW.  The one teacher, which IMO is described 
as being abusive, is Umbridge. The reason I say it like this, is 
that apart from being cruel, sadistic, and many other "nice" 
attributes, Harry's and the students reaction to her is indicative 
of abuse. When Harry is having detention, he finds himself unable to 
tell his friends for a long time, what has happened. He seems sort 
of ashamed – although it is clearly Umbridge's fault. He tells 
himself, that it is a fight of wills between them, but he acts very 
uncharacteristic for himself. When he is asked, he tells he has been 
doing lines, not hinting that anything shocking has occurred. When 
his friends discover, what really has happened, they are shocked, 
outraged, and it is clear that Umbridge is considered from this 
point to be beyond any human respect – she has clearly violated the 
WW's standard for abusive behavior. (And that's in a world where 
washing bed-pants, sorting flubberworms, going into the forbidden 
forest, is tolerated as a detention). It is typical that when Harry 
sees Dean (as far as I remember) after detention, he is the one in 
whom Dean can confide – again, a typical victim of abuse behavior, 
making it easier to trust a "former" victim, but maintaining some 
sort of secrecy about it. We were never told about any such 
reactions toward Snape's behavior, as far as I remember. When HRH 
disarm Snape in PoA, Hermione is saying they will be in trouble, 
because they attacked a teacher. The same Hermione, who leads 
Umbridge to the forbidden forest to be attacked by the centaurs, 
with not so much as a second thought on it. (Well,apart from being 
afraid of the centaurs herself...). It seems that Snape is 
considered nasty,  but not beyond respect - until he AKes DD. 
  The only thing, a little bit reminding of some shocked reaction 
towards him before this is , for some reason,  when in HBP Snape 
told Tonks he noticed her patronus, and considered it weak. It seems 
a very brutal remark, leaving Tonks shocked. IMO there could be 
worse things, that Snape did, but in the book – it is this one, 
which leaves Tonks shocked. 

The other discipline intervention, we are told is shocking (at least 
Mc Gonagall) – is Moody's transforming Draco into a ferret in GoF. 
But then it was such an enjoyable scene


Another behavior, hinted is "going too far", is ...giving students 
Verisatrum – Snape threatens Harry with it, but it seems he complies 
with not doing it – because it is considered unacceptable. You can 
argue that threatening with it is enough to make Snape abusive, but 
threats are not enough in the WW to be considered abuse. (It's 
interesting, especially, when some years after the same Snape is 
appointed as a teacher for occlumency, thus receiving permission to 
enter Harry's mind, as far as he can).

Anyway, I thought it would help us to refine somehow, why these 
particular things are considered abusive in WW. It seems that canon 
tells us they are different from the other behaviors, which are just 
nasty.

Orna