Rosier, Rookwood, Snape's gang of Slytherins

[ellecain]

No: HPFGUIDX 144645


Elyse wrote earlier:
> 
>  In the scene in HBP, Voldemort is around 35 years old  by my 
>  calculations and Snape is eighteen years into the future.
>  So Rosier is at least 18 years older than Snape...  The more I
> look at those two passages I think Snape did not have 
>  any 
>  friends in school. He was not in contact with future DEs anyway.
>  He could not have hung around with Lucius since he is 6 years 
older 
> than Snape. That leaves Bella and Cissy.Highly unlikely IMO.
> Anyway I'm confused. Help!

> zgirnius replied:
> As a guess, the Rosier of the Marauders' Era was the son of the 
> Rosier of the Riddle Era. That is also most likely the case with 
the 
> Lestranges (that they are two generations of Death Eaters)> 
zgirnius:
In the 
> Pensieve scene with the Lestrange brothers and Bellatrix 
Lestrange, 
> no mnetion is made that she seems much younger than they are. She 
is 
> a rough contemporary of Snape and the Marauders, though several 
years 
> ahead in school. So I would guess this is also true of Avery.

Elyse: Well, in Slughorn's memory, Avery is told to hand in an essay 
with Lestrange so at least one of the Lestrange brothers and Avery 
was at school with Tom Riddle for sure. That leaves the other 
Lestrange brother and Avery's future child to be in Snape's gang of 
Slytherins.

> -hekatesheadband
> With respect to the issue of Rosier et al, easy: they had children.
> They're presumably the families with a reputation for Dark Arts and
> pureblood supremacist ideology, just like the Blacks, the Malfoys, 
and
> the Gaunts. <snip>

Elyse again: Hmm...that would be the logical solution wouldnt it?
But its still very confusing. As I say, at the time of Voldemort's 
interview with Dumbledore, Snape was eighteen years into the future.
At this point LV was around 35, so Rosier, Avery, etc, must have 
been roughly the same age (at least Avery since hes in Sluggy's 
office in the Horcruxes memory).

If Rosier, Avery etc were 35 at this time, their kids that Snape 
would play with in future had to be born sometime around 59/60 since 
they must have been roughly Snape's age in order to allow him to be 
one of the gang. I can buy Avery having a child 18 years into the 
future, but Rosier too, and Lestrange as well?
Did they all get together that year and decide now would be an 
auspicious time for all three of them to have children?
I dunno... it just seems highly unlikely.

Of course, the Lestrange Snape hung out with could be the younger 
brother. But that would make an 18  or so year age difference 
between the two of them, and the older Lestrange would be as old as 
LV, much too old to go running around the Ministry in OOtP, and the 
age difference would have been noticeable to Harry in the Pensieve 
scene. 
So again, seeing as Bella is much older than Snape and I'm guessing 
the Lestrange she married was at the most one or two years younger 
than her, I still dont see how Snape could have played with them 
while he was at Hogwarts.

> hekatesheadband wrote:
> Bellatrix would seem too old for the "Gang of Slytherins," but then
> again, Charlie Weasley is two years older than Percy by JKR's own
> conception but 8-10 years older by the indications of PS/SS. We're
> also not sure of Bella's age relative to the Lestrange brothers, 
one
> of whom she married. 

> zgirnius:
 And I guess the 
> Lestrange who married Bella (I forget which it was) was probably 
of 
> about the same age... 

Elyse: This does seem to be important to the timeline. I hope we can 
ask JKR one of these days. It could be JKR confusing timelines like 
with Charlie but maybe it was a way of telling us that Snape had no 
friends in school and did not hang out with future DE gangs?

hekatesheadband:
> Granted, all this is from someone who didn't make the Grim/Sirius
> Black connection until it became explicit. ;)
> 

Elyse: Heh. Me neither. Good to know I'm not alone!