The Invisible Hand in the CoS - long

[n_longbottom01]

No: HPFGUIDX 144847

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "va32h" <va32h at c...> wrote:
 
> va32h: Hmm. Interesting. I don't agree that an older, Time-
Traveling 
> Harry is in the Chamber, assisting his younger self. I feel this 
way 
> because I think it is crucial to the story that Harry, even at the 
> age of 12, can battle and defeat Voldemort with nothing but his 
pure 
> heart and loyalty to Dumbledore (which is what allows Fawkes and 
the 
> Sorting Hat to render their aid). 
> 
> Having an older Harry come back and save his younger self would 
> negate that, so I don't think it works, thematically. (In PoA, even 
> though Harry saved himself, it's still 13 y.o. Harry saving 13 y.o. 
> Harry). 
> 
> But I do think Harry will time travel again. Firstly, because JKR 
> was suitably coy when asked if Harry would do so, and secondly, 
> because of a long complicated theory I have about the series being 
a 
> set of mirrored books, revolving around GoF, in which book 3 is the 
> mirror of book 7. But that is for another day and another post!
> 
> va32h
>

n_longbottom01:

I also think it is important that nothing change to take anything 
away from what twelve-year-old Harry did, thematically and also for 
the re-read value of CoS.  It wouldn't be satisfying at all to 
realize that Harry was less of a hero than he seems at the end of 
CoS.  But my idea is that Time-Traveling Harry's influence on the 
events in CoS is minimal.

Young Harry is the one who causes Fawkes and the Sorting Hat to 
appear—due to his pure heart and loyalty.  Time-Traveling Harry only 
tosses Young Harry the hat, and then squeezes the sword out of it.  
Young Harry then kills the basilisk with the sword, and destroys the 
diary with the fang, defeating Riddle and saving Ginny.  This takes a 
little bit away from the heroics of Young Harry, since he didn't 
summon the sword on his own, but I am suggesting he did everything 
else on his own.  I am not suggesting that Time-Travel Harry swoops 
in invisibly on Fawkes's tail and saves the day, negating everything 
that appeared to happen in CoS.

Young Harry defeated Diary Riddle when he stabbed the diary horcrux 
with the Basilisk tooth.  Time-Traveling Harry is there because there 
is more to do to completely finish off the Horcrux.  If Time-
Traveling Harry weren't there, it wouldn't have changed anything 
about Diary Riddle's defeat.  But there is something more that needs 
to be done to assure that the horcrux is completely destroyed.  One 
idea I have is that the stab from the fang causes the soul piece to 
rip free from the diary, but the soul piece is still bound to this 
world because of the five other horcruxes.  Harry has to time travel 
to the battle in the chamber to destroy the soul bit, or capture the 
soul bit somehow.  Maybe he captures the soul bit, takes it to the 
secret passage behind the mirror, and does the magic to destroy it.  
The soul piece releases explosive energy as it is destroyed, and the 
secret passage collapses.
 

n_longbottom01