The Twins / Ron / Weasleys

[kchuplis]

No: HPFGUIDX 145089

> 
> Betsy Hp:
> The twins would probably say the gloves came off after Percy left.  
> I'd say they decided to move from fists to knives.  Because, yeah, 
> the twins were definitely *mean* to Percy.  They teased him 
> mercilessly *before* Percy left.  To such an extent Percy kept his 
> girlfriend a secret from the entire family (as no other Weasley has 
> done).  To such an extent that not even Percy's workplace (not a 
> summer job, the beginning of his career) was off limits.

kchuplis:
Percy can't stand any teasing apparently. What were the particularly *mean* things 
they did to Percy other than to tease him about wearing his Prefect's badge even 
during the summer. I mean, sorry but he begs for teasing with such behaviour. 

Betsy Hp:
> I think part of their motivation was resentment over Molly's 
> constant praise for Percy.  Because I do agree that the twins have a 
> special bond with their mother.  And so I also agree that making 
> Molly cry was unforgivable to them.  Only Fred and George are 
> allowed to put their mother through hell.  Actually, I think only 
> Fred and George are allowed to receive *any* attention from Molly at 
> all.  Hence their dismal treatment of "perfect" Percy, over the 
> years.


Fred and George put their mother through *hell*? From my reading of it, they didn't 
do more than the wizarding version of what many boys do. Taking the car without 
permission, teasing syblings, not applying themselves to the best of their ability at 
school, being practical jokers. I just don't see where these boys have been excessively 
bad people. You make them sound totally evil and I just don't see it. I guess we come 
from different backgrounds.

> 
> > >>kchuplis:
> > I know that I sure don't see them as "mean" to Molly. They        
> > actually seem fairly devoted in their way, to me. They certainly   
> > respect her tongue lashings.
> > <snip>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Respect?  They are certainly *entertained* by Molly's high volume 
> lectures, but respect?  Wouldn't that require them actually 
> *following* her orders?  I agree that Fred and George love their 
> mother, but I don't get the impression they think she has anything 
> to say actually worth listening to.
> 

Can you give me some instances of them doing something totally out of line and 
being cruel to Molly? They don't seem to give her lip or excuses. They back off. I'd 
like to see the family with children that are all perfect angels that do everything their 
mother wants them to, expecially in the teen years. 

> > >>Alla:
> > How do you know that Ron is about to become twins' enemy?
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Well, he might be becoming one *now*, what with his "talk to them 
> about who they're selling to" comment in HBP.  
> 
> But I was more referring to them constantly pushing Ron down, making 
> sure he knew that the twins were not to be messed with.  And I also 
> think that Ron really *does* have more in common with Percy than the 
> twins, but the twins made sure that Ron never befriended Percy.  
> Otherwise Ron would be treated similarly.  And Ron, ignored by 
> Molly, younger and smaller than the twins, not all that great a 
> secret keeper, would get it a lot worse, I think, than Percy ever 
> did.

I don't see Ron as being scarred by George and Fred. He's got his own friends and 
definitely his own personality. The only thing he seems overly insecure about is 
quidditch playing and I know plenty of kids that have a hard time going into a sport 
where a sibling was extremely good. Many of the ones I know will purposely avoid the 
sport, even though they might do pretty well, just because they do not want to be 
compared. Ron even manages to over come that to at least try. I'm also not aware of 
Molly ignoring Ron. Where do you see this?

> 
> 
> Percy was *not* created in a vacuum.  He is what Molly and Arthur 
> raised him to be.  And, like a true Weasley, he took a strong stand 
> for his principles when his back was against the wall. (It's 
> interesting to me that Arthur was dead wrong in his assesment of 
> Percy's worth to the Ministry.  Percy has been seperated from his 
> family for two years and for two administrations, and he's still 
> there.)

Well, since Percy's worth to the ministry is being a little toad-eating brown noser that 
would use his family just to allow the ministry to get to Harry, I guess I wouldn't be all 
thta happy with Percy either. I guess it does get you someplace in the government but 
it wouldn't make me very proud of my son. I guess you can call those "principles" - of 
a sort.

kchuplis