Snape and Prophecy and Harry WAS:Re: TBAY: Definitely NOT a Snape Theory (lo

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> Orna:
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> I don't know if anybody really accuses James Lily and Sirius of 
> leaving Harry orphaned, just because they want to fight Voldemort. 
> And leaves Snape as the best guy in town. 
> 
> The point, as I understand it, that for a one year-old to loose his 
> parents, it would be a natural feeling to accuse his parents for 
> having left him orphaned because of whatever – what does a one year-
> old (and more-year-old) really care about the why. It would be 
> natural to have some resentment towards them, somehow.

Alla:

But I did NOT accuse Lily, James and Dumbledore of leaving Harry and 
my point is that we don't know whether Harry does or not. Pippin said 
that they chose to leave Harry and I argued against it.

In any event, my point is whatever feelings Harry is experiencing 
towards his parents and it is quite possible that some subconscious 
resentment towards them, it is completely irrelevant in determining 
whether Snape is guilty or not, that is all. IMO of course.



Orna:
> I'm not forgetting Snape's part in Harry's parents' death, but his 
> parents death was brought about by quite a few people – Voldemort, 
> Snape, Wormtail, Sirius.

Alla:

But without Snape, other three may not have done anything at all, no? 
I mean, Wormtail was passing information for a year, true, so he 
would not have been less bastard, but Voldemort may not have come to 
him to ask about Secret keeping, because there may not have been any 
need for secret keeping in the first place.

Orna:
 There would be never any 
> hope for peace, if you can't reconcile with former enemies, once 
> they are willing to stop killing you. The WW is not about peace 
> right now, because Voldemort still leads his war. But if Snape was 
a 
> DE and decided to go over to the "Good" Side, what's this obsession 
> of interminably blaming him because of his former deeds? (If he is 
> DDM!, of course). Harry has the right to be angry with him, not to 
> be able to be any close with him. 

Alla:

Oh, you said the "key words",actually. :-) Harry has a RIGHT to be 
angry with him. That is all I am asking for, because I very very 
strongly disagreed with Pippin's argument about Harry's selfishness 
in blaming Snape for part in his parents' deaths, even though Snape 
IMO undoubtedly played a part in Potters' deaths. I am arguing that 
Harry's anger was a righteous anger and DESERVED anger. It is just 
IMO Snape's guilt in many things are in the eyes of the beholder, but 
Snape's guilt in Potter's deaths is IMO a fact. I realise that not 
everybody agrees with that, but this is my opinion.

So, I am all for reconciliation, but only after we learn from Snape 
that he is actually sorry for Potters' deaths. 



Orna:
> So the pressure for him to find a tangible person whom he can 
blame –
>  is really very strong, and Snape is ideal for it – in contrast to 
> Voldemort, and to his parents – he is real, he is always there 
> somehow in important moments, and in daily and nightly life. And he 
> has many characteristics which make him utterly revolting.  
>   

Alla:

But Harry does not imagine Snape's guilt, he blames the person who IS 
guilty, no? So, whatever underlying psychological factors Harry has 
to put the blame on Snape. To me and to me only the key is that Harry 
blames the right person, the one who is guilty.

JMO,

Alla