Snape and Peter and Prophecy and Harry

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No: HPFGUIDX 145501


Orna:
I mean, how did the Potters 
> guess they were chosen and chosen for immediate death? They had 
> defied him trice before the prophecy, and not gone into hiding 
just 
> because of the danger, so it looks as if someone told them they 
were 
> picked for immediate murder. 

Alla:

I said that earlier, but it bears repeating - I don't think we know 
that Potters thrice defied Voldemort before Snape delivered the 
Prophecy, I mean it is POSSIBLE of course and that would certainly 
diminish Snape's culpability in my eyes, since that would mean that 
Potters were already on "special hit list", but I don't think we 
know for sure. I can easily see Potters barely escaping Voldemort's 
wrath three times when they were already in hiding.



Orna:
  Someone must have told DD, the way 
> Voldemort had decided to deal with the prophecy. 
> I think that Snape is a possibility there. I can see him feeling 
> indebted to James, and I can even imagine him being horrified by 
an 
> intention to kill a baby. 

Alla:

Of course it is possible, but I want to SEE that Snape is actually 
remorseful, you know. :-) 


 >> Julie:
> Wow. I am SO far away from you on this one. Snape *forced*  Peter
> to act on his worst instincts? Are you serious?
>  
> Okay, you are, but I definitely disagree. It is NOT possible to
> speculate that Peter could be a better person, because Peter
> was passing information to Voldemort long BEFORE he betrayed
> the Potters. If Peter could have been a better person, why was
> he doing that? If Peter could have been a better person, why didn't
> he take the opportunity to REFUSE the secret-keeper role, by
> admitting he might crack under the pressure?

Alla:

Well, I am speculating, but yeah I am seriously speculating. :-)

But let me be clear WHAT I am speculating about. I did not say SNAPE 
forced Peter to reveal  the worst in his nature, I said Snape's 
ACTIONS may have forced Peter to do it.

Of course Snape is not responsible for what kind of person Peter is. 
If he is a scum, as you said, he is a scum, but IMO Snape's action 
were sort of key event which prompted Peter's to act. Peter would 
NOT have become a better person, had Snape not acted, but Peter may 
have no reason to show to the world how bad he really is, if it 
makes any kind of sense.


Juli:  
> Snape WENT to Dumbledore. Snape tried to save the Potters,
> whatever his real motivations. Does he not get any credit at all
> for that?

Alla:

Oh, sure, if he went to Dumbledore with intention to save Potters, 
he gets credit from me( which does not cross out what he did, but 
credit nevertheless), I am just not sure we are clear on when he 
went to Dumbledore and with which intentions

Juli:
 Meanwhile Peter accepted the secret-keeper role with
> the PRIOR INTENT to betray them. Peter is scum. Scum. SCUM.
> And he was always scum, no matter what speculative universe he
> might have been in. 

Alla:

Do we know about Peter's prior intent? But sure he is a scum, I am 
not arguing that. :-)


JMO,

Alla