MWPP seriation is there any? WAS Re: James, a paragon of virtue?

M.Clifford Aisbelmon at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 1 04:37:29 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 123608


> > Carol responds:
> > Um, erm, what? I'm lost. What do you mean by "seriated" and how 
does it relate to the Severus/MWPP discussion? And "hapax"????
> 

Nora
> A hapax (short for 'hapax legomenon') is something which occurs 
only once in a corpus of works and therefore ranges from extremely 
> problematic to impossible to evaluate, as you have no models of 
> comparison.
> 
... edited....

> At present, we do not have an actual series; we have one witnessed 
> event, one event that is decidedly (and deliberately, methinks) 
> fragmentary, and some scattered comments that never reach the 
status of 'event'. 
 
> ..edited...

> Note the "new individual observation".  This is what I suspect you 
> will find downthread (if you haven't read it already) when I 
pointed  out that our perception of one event can be strongly 
changed by the addition of others.  That's seriation at work; one 
thing by itself has a lack of proper context.  When you get a new 
thing, you have to try to fit them together, and so on as you add 
more things.
> 

Valky:
Thanks Nora, for the detailed explanations. I kind of understood the 
meanings of those words from the context that you used them in. And 
I agreed mostly with what you said.
Now that you explain it this well, though. I just have one quibble 
about it. I still agree that the penseive event is fragmented, like 
you have said, but I don't fully agree that the marauders era is 
quite so fragmented. Lets take a look at it.

The Marauders Map tells us a lot.... There was a witty intelligent 
author among them, and someone quite adept at complex charms, maybe 
the same person.

The Animagii is a giveaway that at least one of them was 
extraordinarily talented and able to learn the principles of the 
transfiguration to a teaching level at a very young age.

The Snitch James played with and Peter's reaction, James reputation 
as a Quidditch player, they tend to add up toward a conclusion that 
James had remarkably good reflexes. 

James Romantic interest in Lily doesn't have much seriation yet, but 
it has the potential to add seriation to "James always hated the 
Dark Arts" when you compound it with Lily's apparently staunch and 
public opposition to social wrongs, and his caring for Remus.

As for Severus, we have experienced time and time again throughout 
the books that *nothing* he does is completely revealed without the 
seriation. The example I gave earlier of since 
Occlumency/Legilimency were given to us in canon, we have had no end 
of discovering what Snape was *really* doing in that scene where he 
*appeared* to be doing NOTHING at all. So that in itself is a 
seriation of Severus Snape that we just can't ignore. The Mudblood 
comment, the blood drawing curse, are they just more examples of 
Severus standing in the corridor purely observing a petrified Mrs 
Norris, Harry and others and saying "nothing" to Dumbledore?

Valky (gotta get the babe from Preschool, but I am keen to discuss 
this more)















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