[HPforGrownups] Re: Support for the ESE Lupin theory (not)

[Arynn Octavia]

No: HPFGUIDX 123857


> Neri:
"It is our choices that show what we truly are"
According to JKR/DD, if you choose to betray and murder your 
friends,  then this is what you truly ARE: a murderer and a traitor. And  probably not likable, to anybody who knows what you truly 
are.<

>>Pippin:
But JKR believes people can change <<
 
Arynn:
Since her view of him is coloured by all that he will do/expirience, not just by what we have read so far, I think I trust her judgement. 
 
>>Pippin:
I expect he will be offered a chance to redeem himself, though I 
think he will turn it down and have his soul sucked out.<<
 
Arynn:
There's no evidence that he NEEDS to redeem himself. Not in cannon anyway, (there are a few "theories" that are bassed on half-truths and assumptions). These "theories" would never fly in the actual world of criminal detection. 
 
>Pippin:
She likes him because he's clever and kind and gives good lessons.
JKR could love him like a mom who recognizes her grownup 
son has become a criminal, but still loves him and wishes he 
could change.
 
Give some credit to JKR's creativity. Anybody can imagine a cruel, 
stupid sadistic person doing evil things. But how dull! How much more 
challenging to create a wonderful man who, because of one failing, 
being too cowardly to stand up to his friends, is entrapped in a 
secret life  that eventually destroys him.<
 
> Neri:
This view of JKR does not fit well with your image of ESE!Lupin as a
wonderful person who ontologically *is* kind, clever, likable and a
good teacher, but because he was tragically trapped in his secret
life, <snip containing Pippin's list of Lupin's "crimes">JKR's view 
of ESE!Lupin would be exactly the opposite of this image. 

Being nice, clever, likable and a good teacher are all abilities. In 
JKR's view they are very secondary. Murdering and betraying all these 
people were ESE!Lupin choices, and according to JKR's view, they show 
what he truly, ontologically *is*. So in JKR's view ESE!Lupin would 
*be* a heinous mass murderer and traitor who, very superficially, has 
some good abilities<

Arynn: 
JKR says that not only does she like Lupin, but that she would like 
him to teach her daughter. Would someone ever say that about a 
murderer? 

Has ANYONE ever said anything along the lines of "He's a really 
wonderful person, dispite his tendancy to kill/betray people"? Just 
having some good qualities doesn't make you good, just as having bad 
ones doesn't make you bad. Would you ever say you would like someone 
to teach your child, knowing he was a killer, just because he 
is "clever and kind and gives good lessons"? Besides, how can you 
call a murderer kind?

Since JKR listed him as one of her favourite characters, I think we 
can all assume that he is not ESE. All of the theories as to why she 
listed him at all are just a little too far fetched for my believing. 


--Arynn (A Criminal Psychology Major and Lupin lover)