Severus and the DADA exam /James

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 124064




> Valky:
> Sorry to say Finwitch, as much as I agree with the precept of James 
> yearning for a moral test, and most all else you have said on this 
> thread, I kinda really dislike this one. 

Finwitch:

Yes well - James always wanted a challenge. A risk. He despises Dark 
Arts - but - he's never before been tempted to fall into their use. 
He hasn't truly have been *making a choice* - until he saves Severus. 
(Could as well have let him go in there and be rid of him, could he 
not?).. Look at his best friend Sirius, who defies his entire family 
because they support Dark Arts&Voldemort. Remus, who has the werewolf-
problem. Peter who just can't learn enough... Where's the challenge 
for James? Anyway, I don't mind much how Severus got there. I think 
he had *at least* a Silencing Charm on him when James took him to 
Dumbledore. Or maybe a stunner and Mobilicorbus. (That's what Sirius 
was doing to him when they were leaving the Shack).

Valky:
 
> In my imaganation both Sevvie and James are injured by Remus and by 
> the end of the prank James is carrying Severus and not arresting 
> him. I imagine the scene in a far more *truly* heroic way, and that 
> James *really* coming out smelling roses, rather than with pretense 
> of it, is the reason Severus could never forgive. Soon, soon we 
will 
> know.

Yes, well - I just thought James had the habit of *confessing*. (I 
seem to recall Severus saying he 'got away with it, being such a big 
Quidditch star'...) And like Fred&George, amount of detentions was 
credit for the art of defiance. (You need defiance to fight the 
imperius curse, you know, and James wanted every amount of practice 
he could get...). Now then... James tells Dumbledore the story - 
maybe he even *shows* it by a Pensieve (he was planning to give it to 
Lily Evans). Maybe he even told about the 'after DADA-OWL scene' - 
saying that it's entirely possible that Severus Snape *knew* all 
about Remus' transformations.

And that he *admires* Lily precisely because she was er - evening the 
numbers. And Despises Snape because he so gravely insulted someone 
who stood up for him.

All in all, as far as James is concerned -- Snape was either lacking 
of observation, resources, knowledge etc. if he didn't figure it out 
at least then (didn't take him and Sirius long, did it?) - OR he was 
suicidal for going to a full-grown werewolf...

Imagine this sort of discussion:

SS: 'I'll never forgive you for this, Potter!'.

JP: 'For what, saving your life? Why would I ever need to be forgiven 
for it? Didn't think you'd have the grace to be greatful, for the 
worthless piece of lunacy you are, but hatred? You ARE suicidal..'

> I don't think James did, nor ever could, get over his yen to be a 
> moral champion, hence the order and his battles with Voldemort. 

Finwitch:

Probably not. Just the need to er - practice defiance. He may well 
have begun to court Lily. (Well, I think Lily would be impressed 
about the thing..)

Valky: 
> Finally, (oops snipped it OK working from memory) I think we are in 
> agreement, that Young Sevvie while pondering question 10 on his 
DADA 
> OWl, if that is what he did, might not have fully realised that 
> Lupin was a Werewolf, or he might. But either way the fact that he 
> might be inclined to look so hard for ways to get others into 
> trouble *is* a type of bullying and the word "snivelling" *is* used 
> in close association to this behaviour.

Finwitch:

I think Snape indeed was so inclined - enough so to go into that 
place where he would be killed by a werewolf. And - unlike James and 
Sirius, who at least were open and honest about their 'bully-like' 
acts, Snape never grew out of it. He is still doing it in the 
shrieking shack. (blames Lupin about the Potion. AND then he says: 
Sirius Black was capable of murder at age sixteen... and Lupin 
says: 'oh, that trick'. Really, if Sirius HAD someway tricked Snape 
into the Shack to meet a full-grown werewolf - I doubt that adult 
Lupin (who's *finally* standing up to his friend, demanding they 
explain things to Harry, Ron & Hermione) would belittle that sort of 
act. But Snape's unfair and unbased accusation he indeed would call 
*that trick*.

And also-- oh yes. Snape *has* expressed his disappointment that 
Potter 'got away with things' (something you'd expect the snivel to 
say, would you not?). And - I think that the way James & Sirius had 
to fight against that was that they well, did a little cursing here 
and there - and always confessed. (Really, Snape going out to tell 
teachers about James&Sirius doing things - well, it's not getting 
much response if James&Sirius told them first, is it? With some 
teachers they even might have earned points&praise for honesty!)

Finwitch