Dumbledore the Counselor (was: Dumbledore the General)

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No: HPFGUIDX 124372


 
Lupinlore:  
If this was in ANY WAY a part of Dumbledore's reasoning in leaving 
Harry at the Dursleys and not intervening to make things better the 
Dumbledore is a cold-blooded accessory to child-abuse, nothing more 
and nothing less. The Dursleys were NOT "less than ideal," they were 
child abusers and nothing more than an unmitigated disaster.  It's 
for that that Dumbledore badly deserves to suffer consequences.<
 
Betsy:
Yeah.  Folks keep saying that.  Funny thing is - they're never able 
to quote much proof.  And I'm not talking about Harry hating life at 
the Dursleys, and I'm not talking about their less than stellar 
behavior (cupboard, bars on window, excessive chores, etc.).  Quote 
me something from canon that shows just how screwed up and damaged 
Harry is because of his life at the Dursleys.

snip.

I'm not saying he's this amazingly strong *because* 
of the Dursleys, but if you argue that Harry is a victim of child 
abuse, you really need to be able to point to some scars - physical 
 or emotional, if you have any hope of making your case.
 
 
Alla:

It appears  though that no proof which I am able to quote will be 
convincing enough for you, Betsy.
 
For the simple reason that you and  me are judging abuse by 
completely different criteria. If for you Harry hating his life at 
Dursleys and what you called Dursleys "less than stellar behaviour" 
is not a proof of abuse, I am not sure what else to say.
 
The fact that Harry survived life at Dursleys is thanks to Harry and 
to Harry only, IMO. Dursleys' intent matters, NOT whether Harry has 
scars from it ( and I will certainly not concede that he does not 
have scars - as I argued earlier his mistrust of adults is typical 
of the abuse victim, IMO)
 
"She doesn't love me," said Harry at once. "She doesn't give a damn-
" - OOP, p.836.
 
If this is not a scar from abuse, I don't know what is.

And I wanted to quote again Phoenixgod's analogy from his 123415 
post:

"Regardless of whether or not Harry has transcended the limitations
of his upbringing, it does not excuse the actions that put him in
the situation in the first place.

If I throw you into a room with axe wielding maniac suspecting that
you're a master martial artist and will survive the encounter, that
doesn't mean that my actions were right.

Dumbledore abandoned Harry to people that none of us would want to
know or live with. That is wrong regardless of Harry's mental
resilience."


 
Just my opinion of course,
 
Alla