Problems at the end of GOF

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 124426


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Richard Jones" 
<jones.r.h.j at w...> wrote:
> 
> 
> When I was rereading GOF last weekend, I had some questions about 
the 
> plot points:
> 
> (1) How did the "shades" of Cedric and Frank Bryce and Lily and 
James 
> know all they knew?  How did the shades know what was going on or 
> about the golden thread connection or what to do?  How did they 
know 
> there was a portkey there?  What goes on inside the wands?

Finwitch:

I think that beyond the Veil the dead watch first their own life like 
a movie. After they've done that they can watch others - to whose 
lives they have effected. (So they can learn from the consequences). 
So that er - parents/ancestors can watch what their descendants are 
doing. Or maybe Cedric *told* them about what had happened? (Don't 
forget, James WAS top of his class). Or maybe they, being dead and 
unable to influence things (except with things like Patronus and 
Priori Incantatem from the wand that killed them - and possibly 
dreams and Divination) just KNOW things.
 
> (2) Inside the maze, Harry had his wand point north, but how did 
that 
> help him find the trophy?  If he was east or west of the trophy, it 
> would just lead him right past it.  It wouldn't be any help except 
at 
> the very entrance.
> 
> And by the way, why didn't Harry or Ron or some Gryffindor fly 
above 
> the hedge earlier and make a map of the maze for Harry?  It was 
just 
> a normally growing maze and there is no mention that DD had 
enchanted 
> it.

Er - Point me - wizard's version of a compass... Well, you have to be 
aware of your directions in a maze! You know-- North's that way -- 
South's opposite... East is on the Right and West on the Left... 
Really, with so many turns you may need, well...

Making a map... Well, it's not just a maze. They got the Blast-ended 
Skrewts there, and a sphinx, and a Boggart, and that upside-down-
thingy... and Spider And...

AND: 1)if you do it at night, you don't see it properly. 2) if you do 
it by day, you'll be seen-- and I guess a map would be considered as 
*cheating* (and both Cedric and Harry just WON'T do it).

And it's entirely possible that the maze WAS unmappable or 
something...
 
> (3) And how did LV have the wand he killed James and Lily with?  At 
> Godric's Hollow, he turned into vapor so he couldn't carry it.  So 
it 
> must have just fallen down and maybe picked up by someone else at 
> Godric's Hollow, but the Death Eaters didn't know he was alive or 
> where he was and if a member of the Ministry got it they would 
> probably destroy it or keep it well protected (and even if Lucius 
> Malfoy stole it from the Ministry how would he get it to LV since 
he 
> didn't know LV was alive, let alone where he was?).  LV spent 13 
> years as vapor and a snake and like that, and so he couldn't carry 
it 
> in any of those states.  Wormtail was a rat and couldn't carry it.  
> LV had to have Wormtail use it in graveyard against Cedric because 
he 
> couldn't.   So how did he come to have his wand in the graveyard?

Finwitch:

Apparently... OK, he used it in GH that night. The spell that bounced 
off Harry doesn't show (mainly because no one died). Then there's the 
Hagrid/Harry/Sirius - scene, Sirius heads off after Peter, catching 
up quite SOON. Running. On foot(Hagrid had the motorcycle), human 
form. Seems to me that Peter DID take Voldemort's wand that night - 
was quite close anyway. SO he had no real qualms in leaving his own 
behind (as he had to cut off his finger anyway). I doubt a wizard can 
fake his death and keep his wand.

And NO spells are showing until after Pettigrew was in contact with 
Voldemort... and why did he keep the wand? WELL - I imagine he kept 
it as an insurance. ('look master, I brought your wand... you -- er --
 you wouldn't kill me, would you...')

Where ever it was kept hidden, Pettigrew knew where it was.

Finwitch