John the Baptist again

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 124750


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> 
> > Hans: > 
> > Let me emphasise that I'm not asking anyone to believe the Path 
of Alchemical Liberation is true. I'm saying Jo is writing a book 
> > which is a symbolic representation of that process, and it so 
> > happens that the writers of the Bible did the same thing. My 
series of posts is meant to show everyone that. 
> 
> > I know a lot of members are having trouble understanding this, 
but this is what both Harry Potter and the Bible are doing. Harry 
> > Potter is not a human being but a force WITHIN a person who goes 
> > the Path. Jesus is not a real person, but a force within a 
person who goes the Path.
> 
(Snip)
> Geoff:
(Snip) It has been said that there is more evidence for the 
existence of Jesus than there was for Julius Caesar.
> 
> If you are not a Christian, you may say that Harry can be both 
> everyman and Christ; if you are a Christian, having experienced a 
> meeting with God through Jesus and are being supported in your 
daily life by the presence of the Holy Spirit, this is just not on. 
Jesus, to a Christian is our link to God, is God. We can only be 
followers of Christ, attempting to seek the will of God and to do 
it. 



Tonks now:

In all respect to Hans, I have to say that the concept that he calls 
*the path to Liberation* is, from a Christian perspective, heresy.  
Also the bible is not being written to show the path of the 
Alchemical Liberation.  Jesus was an historical figure. Some can and 
do argue as to whether he was the Christ, but most all agree that he 
was a real human being in real human history. (for those here who 
may not be Christian let me briefly explain that the teaching of the 
Church is that Jesus was both truly human and truly God. Both in one 
person. When a Christian speaks of Jesus we are saying that he was 
fully human and he was *the Christ* meaning God in human form. 
Christ is the the Messiah of the Jewish prophesy, the one who was to 
come to.)

As to Harry Potter and Everyman or Christ.  He can actually be 
both.  It is very confusing the way that JKR has written this.  I 
see all of the signs that point to Harry being the Christ, but there 
are serious problems with that also.  They celebrate Christmas and 
Easter at Hogwarts, so the Jesus event has already happened in human 
history.  And Harry has show himself to be all too human in OP.  
Harry show that he is not God, Harry is not only capable of sin, but 
has sinned.  So he can not be *the* Christ.  This leaves the 
confusing symbols.  When I see Harry what am I seeing when I see a 
*saving people person*, the one that is to fulfill the prophesy?  
What I am seeing in Harry is the Christ in him. Harry is not Christ 
himself, but the Christ is in him. This for a Christian happens at 
baptism. (We are baptized into the death and resurrection of Jesus 
the Christ and He lives within us. Some like Geoff would say it 
happen when one is *born again*.)  The point being that there is 
*something* in Harry and that *something* is the Risen Christ that 
lives in each Christian.  And we have a choice day by day to grow 
more and more into that.  A person who molds their will to His 
eventually becomes what we call a Saint. A Saint is one who is so 
totally one with God that they are Christ to the World.  This, 
however, is not the same as the concept of the Rosicrucian's and the 
Alchemical Wedding. The Rosicrucian ideology is considered by the 
Christian church to be a heresy. (Sorry Hans.)

Tonks_op