Theory of Liberation (was: John the Baptist again)

[Hans Andréa]

No: HPFGUIDX 124786

Antosha post 124751:
The truth/myth dichotomy is one of those things that gets people tied 
up in knots all of the time. I think the point that Hans is trying to make,
Geoff, is not that Jesus didn't exist, or the Buddha or Mohammed or Mahavira
any of the other teachers whose adherents have found higher consciousness
and better life through the study of their precepts.

Hans now:
YES YES YES! This is exactly what I mean! I think something absolutely
wonderful happened in the world 2000 years ago, but it has no point or
relevance to us today if we see it as a historical event. (I dont know
exactly what happened 2000 years ago, but I dont believe it involved anyone
literally walking on water or literally turning water into wine etc.)

Antosha:
Hans's point--as I understand it--is that the historical, literal, 
Mel-Gibson fact of Jesus and death on the cross and the rest of it isn't the
point; it's the birth of Christ's spirit within the individual that matters.
That's a rebirth on a MYTHIC level--which isn't to say that it's false, but
that it's a metaphor for an experience for which the image of physical birth
is, at best, a gross representation.

Hans now:
Here is someone who understand the real meaning of the word myth.

Antosha:
I think Hans meant that he doesn't think of his interpretation of the 
'Path to Liberation' as 'true' in the same sense: it's not a literal
description of a historical occurrence, or a newspaper how-to column. It's a
myth: an attempt to describe in images and stories an experience that is,
finally, ineffable. And I believe that he's saying (correct me if I'm wrong,
Hans) that JKR is getting at the same thing in her books, whether by design
or by a confluence of inspiration.

Hans now:
This is exactly what Im saying! Antosha, you are amazing! A big electronic
hug for you!

I know we SEEM to be wondering off topic here, but in actual fact this area
of discussion is extremely relevant to Harry Potter because were talking
about the very foundation of Harry Potter now. Im asserting that Harry
Potter and the New Testament have been inspired in the same way by the same
archetypal Path. It doesnt matter HOW Jo is getting the story, the point is
its the same universal, timeless message as the New Testament, the story of
the Buddha, Lao Tzu, Zoroaster, the Alchemical Wedding, and dozens of
others. The whole point of my posts is to show you how similar Harry Potter
is to that universal timeless message, which in my words I call Liberation.
I like to add the word alchemical because that is a new concept added in
by the Rosicrucians a few centuries ago and obviously being used by Jo
herself.

Now Im only human and, like many others in this group, I sit here typing
late at night after a hard days work. I do read my posts through 2 or 3
times before sending them, but theyre obviously in the nature of thinking
aloud to some extent. When I read some posts reacting to mine I realise I
have failed totally to explain to many people what Im on about. Antosha
understands so my attempts are not totally hopeless.

Please allow me to explain what I mean by my theory. Ive been guilty of
using shorthand without explaining it fully.

My theory, which Ive been propounding for nearly two years, is that Harry
Potter is a new version of the timeless message of human liberation. My
whole purpose is proving to you all that my theory is correct. 

Im not asserting the Path of Liberation is true. Im also not asserting
its not true. Im leaving that out of the question. What I AM saying is
that Jo is basing Harry Potter on that Path. 

***
Just to emphatically clarify this once and for all: my theory is not that
the Path of Liberation is true, but that Harry Potter is a revelation OF the
Path, irrespective of whether the Path actually does what it claims.***

Now obviously I believe in the Path, otherwise I wouldnt be talking about
it, but thats NOT what Im discussing. Obviously Jo believes in the Path,
but thats NOT what Im discussing. Im only discussing the matrix on which
the story and characters in Harry Potter are based, and showing you how
similar Harry Potter is to it.

Geoff post 124746:
You have on a number of occasions referred to "my theory of liberation". Now
you are saying that the path of liberation is not true.

Hans:
I had to pinch myself when I read that. When have I said the Path of
Liberation isnt true? I quote from my post 124737: I'm not saying Harry
Potter is based on the Bible. I'm saying Harry Potter and the Bible are both
based on the Path of Alchemical Liberation. Let me emphasise that I'm not
asking anyone to believe the Path of Alchemical Liberation is true.

How can you interpret that as me saying the Path of liberation is not
true? What I am saying here is that Im not ASKING you to believe its
true. In other words it isnt relevant to this discussion whether any of you
believe it is true or not. Obviously the majority (I would guess) would NOT
accept it, as its totally against the prevailing beliefs of 99.999.. of the
worlds people. 

What the members of this group ARE capable of believing, is that Harry
Potter and my presentation of the Path of Liberation are extremely similar,
leading to the conclusion that Jo is basing Harry Potter on that Path.

Dear Friends, one and all, I know how radical my claim is. But I have
emphatically asserted many times that my discovery has WORLD-SHATTERING
consequences. Yes it is a highly controversial and, at first, apparently
extremely unlikely theory. But as time goes on and Im making more and more
startling discoveries, I just HAVE to tell you all: Harry Potter is the
latest version of the Path of Liberation. Thats the theory Im trying to
prove.

Antosha:
Now, if I'm totally off-base here, I'll take my autographed Joseph 
Campbell ball and bat and go home....

Hans now:
No, you just stay there and keep batting. You can have my autograph as well.
Or even better, give me yours. And thanks, Antosha.

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Hans Andra 
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