De-bunking Count Snape/Foe Glass

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 125066


Pippin (on the secret passage behind the mirror):
It could be that they chose it because it would repel Snape, or
more likely it repelled Snape and that's why it remained
undiscovered.

It may also be significant that the Marauder's secret means of
communication, and one that Sirius gives to Harry specifically
because he is concerned about Snape, is a mirror. Also, the
Stone is hidden behind a mirror. Voldemort would not
be able to use vampire!Snape to get at it.

Valky:
Well I did wonder what would happen if Vampire!Snape faced the 
mirror of Erised. If your foe glass premise is correct and Snape 
*wants* to see what he looks like, then he *would* probably see 
himself in Erised, since it shows not reflections but Hearts 
desires. 

James and Sirius' communication mirrors are interesting but other 
than Harry chancing upon seeing that SS reflection were missing 
sometime in the future, it doesn't seem a significant thing to me.

As for the secret room, well that makes sense. It does appear to 
have remained undiscovered by Snape which is odd, because he's 
really snoopy and suspicious. But I think that this room has been 
mentioned over and over for other reasons, namely to remind us that 
Peter knows about it and that Tom Riddle was actively roaming the 
halls of Hogwarts at the time it was caved in.

Still, all in all the evidence for Sevvie being mirror shy is pretty 
solid, and I can't think of any reason pertaining to Peter or TR 
that would make the *mirror* a significant element of the whole 
thing.


The FOe Glass:
" ....... a sense of power radiated  from Dumbledore as though he 
were giving off burning heat.
He stepped into the office, placed a foot underneath Moodys 
unconscious body, and kicked him over onto his back, so that his 
face was visible.  Snape followed him, looking into the Foe-Glass, 
where his own face was still visible, glaring into the room.  
Professor McGonagall went straight to Harry. "

Pippin:
As for the Foe-glass, of course Snape could have had other
reasons for wanting to see what it would show him -- but it can't
have been to distract Crouch!Moody since he was unconscious
at the time.

Valky:
Yes he was I see. So out with that one, it does strike odd that 
Snape would look at the Foe Glass upon entering the room, and even 
more odd that the text does make a note of saying that his face is 
*visible glaring into the room* which implies that the image is 
pretty clear. 

Snape does have an idea what is going on, he does know that he is a 
foe of the man unconcious on the floor anyhow, because he has heard 
Crouch!Moody yackiting on about the year past... or tangentially.... 
his face is glaring into the room, he's pretty angry, what's he 
angry about? 

Theres a list as long as my arm of things Barty Crouch said that 
could answer that... but I am pretty sure we can scratch Crouch 
wants to kill Harry off that list. Snapes not angry about that. I 
think OOtP reveals that Snape doesn't care much for the real Moody 
so you can scratch that too.

That leaves among many:

Another! ridiculously bad choice for the DADA teaching job over 
himself, by DD..

All the things Crouch!Moody got away with throughout the year... 
Ferret Draco, cheating for Harry in the Triwizard cup... 

Then theres the more sinister sounding ones like...

Barty going on and on about all the other faithless cowardly 
DE's ... 

None of it points to Vampire!Snape.. which is the real problem with 
Snape, you never really know which tangent to shoot off on.. 


Koinoinia quoted OotP: 

"Dark Detectors," said Harry, stepping between the cushions to reach
them. "Basically they all show when *Dark wizards or enemies* are
around, but you don't want to rely on them too much, *they can be
fooled..."*

* my emphasis


Valky:
Hmmm I can't remember clearly, but I think I dismissed this 
statement when I read it in OOtP as a mistake by Harry, that he 
hadn't yet put two and two together about all the times he'd been 
fooled by someone saying the Dark Detector wasn't working. Like the 
Sneakoscope in POA, and the foe glass shapes early in GOF.

I take that as a clue that we should reassess our assumptions about 
what Dark Detectors have been telling us throughout the books.

Kizor:
One possiblity is that he was checking if his cover had been blown. A
full-strength Lord Voldemort whom you've betrayed might show up 
rather clearly.

Valky:
That's possible too.

Potioncat:
But, is JKR telling us that the three are loyal and trustworthy? Or
that they are all foes of Barty Crouch? And is Snape looking in it
because he's never seen himself? Or is he concerned about his own
loyalty. Or is he concerned about McGonagall's loyalty? And does the
fact that he's a foe of Barty Crouch Jr, mean he's loyal to DD?


Valky:
Questions questions. Vampire!Snape does nothing to answer the 
questions about Snapes Loyalties. 
That's probably my main reason for avoiding it. I really want the 
answer to those questions, more than anything else.