Luna Lovegood - Werewolf Animagus?!

[kempermentor]

No: HPFGUIDX 125251


I wrote:

I love her, too.  But I don't see Luna as an innocent as she saw 
her mom die.  That seems to be a loss of innocense as far as coming-
of-age stories go.   

Finwitch responded:
 
Well- - I'd say that the way Hermione was luring Umbridge into the 
Forest so she'd be attacked by centaurs was a loss of *her* innocence.
 
Harry's intent to use crucio on Bellatrix was *his* loss of 
innocence - not watching Sirius go beyond, not the day he saw Cecric 
die - or the night he heard his parents die.
 
I don't think that seeing death means that innocence is lost..
 
But oh well, I suppose my definition of innocent is somewhat wider 
than yours.


Me (kemper) now:
I'm not sure if your definition of 'innocent' is wider 
than mine, because I didn't discuss my definintion.  I wrote about "a 
loss of innocence" and not that "innocence is lost."

And I would argue that Harry didn't see Cedric die... he saw Cedric 
murdered, and that is a loss of innocence.  But Harry's loss of 
innocence begins even earlier.

For sure, by the end of PS/SS when Quirrell-mort physically attacks 
Harry and then -mort orders Quirrell to kill Harry.

No later than this is when the innocent -one naive to the world 
experiences which brings realization that evil and cruelty exist (one 
of my many definitions for 'innocent')- Harry begins to have his 
innocence chipped away.  

In later books he:

sees the 'violation' of Ginny; 
sees that the innocent -ones who are free of legal guilt (another 
definition of mine)- are treated as though they are guilty; 
comes to know of the deadly betrayal that lead to the death of his 
father and mother; 
is, as stated earlier, a witness to murder; 
is tortured by the cruciatus curse; 
escapes his own murder;
is chased by evil men casting spells at him;
closes his hand around the still-warm-but-dead Cedric's wrist;
learns that a man he trusted for a school year has manipulated him 
and is about to kill him;

... and that's not including all the cruelty and evil in OoP.

Harry wasn't picked as leader of the DA for being innocent -ignorant 
(yet another definition)- of the defence against the Dark Arts; but 
rather, the Dark Arts are against him, and it is these experiences 
which lead to the DA choosing him as leader. 

Harry is no longer an innocent... at least with regards to the Dark 
Arts.  

-Kemper
who thinks he's still an innocent regarding Love