[HPforGrownups] Re: Fred and George - Prefects?

[Shaun Hately]

No: HPFGUIDX 125334

On 27 Feb 2005 at 21:22, a_svirn wrote:

> a_svirn:
> Funny, that you didn't quote the only episode that really gives SOME 
> credence to your hypothesis about F& G being prefects and about 
> Hogwarts' prefects wielding power over Hogwarts' ghosts. I mean the 
> way Peeves seemed to take F & G's parting words to his heart. But 
> then again, when it comes to wrecking havoc he WOULD be only too 
> happy to oblige. Now, if we had any evidence that they could 
> restrain him from doing so


Um, I did quote this incident. Four days ago in the very first post 
in this thread.

It was, in fact, the very first thing I cited:

"Percy implies here that Peeves *should* listen to prefects. They 
should have authority over him. Now, this could just be Percy 
pompousity. But if it is true, the following from Order of the 
Phoenix is interesting:   

"And Peeves, who Harry had never seen take an order from a student 
before, swept his belled hat from his head and sprang to a salute 
as Fred and George wheeled about to tumultuous applause from the 
students below and sped out of the open front doors into the 
glorious sunset." (OotP, p.595)."

I realise that the volume of posts on the group can make it easy 
for particular posts to be missed - but if you haven't seen that 
post, then you haven't seen everything I have said, and you haven't 
seen the whole theory presented/
 
> As for the episodes you do quote
 Well, the Gringott's is neither 
> here nor there, and as for Snape – not only he is NOT a prefect, but 
> a Professor AND a Head of the House, but in the scene you quote when 
> he does invoke his authority he only gets insulted for his pains. By 
> the way it's not the first time he calls himself a Master. He did it 
> in CoS when Lockhart bragged that brewing a restorative potion with 
> Mandrakes would be a piece of cake for him, Snape reminded him that 
> he was the "Potion Master in this School". 

You're correct that it isn't the first time he calls himself a 
Master - I had missed that previous quote. But having said that you 
are missing my point. No, Snape is *not* a prefect - he is however 
someone with a set formal position of authority in the school.

And yes, he is insulted for his pains - but until he invoked his 
authority he got no response at all.

As for Gringotts, being neither here nor there, I disagree. It 
seems to me perfectly plausible to assume that security that exists 
at one location in the Wizarding world may exist at a similar form 
at another location/
 
> a_svirn:
> Yeath, they and some 25 students besides. None of whom were 
> appointed but invited by Hermione. A project that ultimately did 
> cost DD his job by the way. 

Yes, there are other students in the DA - but very few of them seem 
to be seventh years. Fred and George are very probably among the 
eldest of the members - and also quite probably among the most 
skilled. 

Regardles of that though, their membership of the DA and their 
friendship with Harry puts them in the best position possible to 
protect those students in the school who are probably most in 
danger. If that's part of a duty imposed on them, it would seem to 
me that they may be doing it in the best way they have.
 
> a_svirn:
> > Do you really think that this is a kind of leadership DD expects his 
> prefects to promote? 

Under normal circumstances, no.

When active resistance is required against an influence of evil 
within the school, then, yes, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Rules and order are important to Dumbledore - but he's quite 
prepared to bend or break them when the cause is just.



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
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