Marietta and Hermione (was JKR's Messages ) (was Re: Hermione In Trouble?)

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Eggplant:

I confess to being a bit confused, you don't seem shy about making 
moral judgments, like what a horrible terrible person Hermione is 
for not allowing Umbridge to torture Harry to death, but when I also 
make a moral judgment you object, and in capital letters too. 


Alla:

I think you confused Del and Pippin AND I am not sure that even 
Pippin's position was exactly as you stated.

I can be wrong though.

I think it was more something along the lines that Hermione could 
have come up with a better plan, although I do think that under the 
stress Hermione acted as good soldier saving the sanity of her 
friend and fellow soldier. So, NO, I don't fault Hermione for 
leading Umbridge to centaurs, although if similar circumstances will 
arise int he future, I would like for her to come up with better 
plan, IF circumstances will allow that.



  

Eggplant:

Dumbledore said Harry was telling the truth, Fudge said Harry was a 
lying brat, if you knew nothing about either of them and were 
meeting Dumbledore and Fudge for the first time how long would it 
take you to figure out who was smarter, and more honest, and who 
just had more gravitas? On a very bad day it would take me about 45 
seconds to figure it out, if it takes you significantly longer then 
you have a serious problem.


Alla:

I absolutely agree with substance of your argument, I do object to 
the form of it.


 

Del earlier:

If JKR titled the LAST chapter of OoP "The 
Second War Begins", then it means that
there was NO LV war going on during 
the rest of the book. 


Eggplant:
 
Are you really sure you want to pursue this line of argument, do you 
really want to try to make the case that the war in Iraq is not 
really a war because the silly politicians in Washington have not 
declare it so, are you ready to say that the Vietnam war was not a 
war and the Korean war was not a war? If you really and truly want 
to debate this I am perfectly willing to do so, but as a friend let 
me whisper something in your ear, I think you would be wise to look 
elsewhere for your arguments. 


Alla:

You know, I am somewhere in the middle on this one. As I argued 
earlier, I think there SIGNS, which pointed out that Harry was 
telling the truth and there was a war, but more like UNDERGROUND war.

Are you really sure that your comparison with war in Iraq, Korea, 
etc holds water?

I absolutely agree that they are wars, with or without formal 
declaration, but won't you agree that they are MUCH more visible to 
the general public than the war which was going on in OOP?

You know, you can open the newspaper , watch tv news , etc, and see 
that Irag is at war. What exactly general public saw BEFORE the last 
chapter of OOP?

As I said, I believe that WW OWED to Harry to hear him and 
Dumbledore out, but how much did they see?



Alla