[HPforGrownups] Marietta and Hermione (was JKR's Messages ) (was Re: Hermione In Trouble?)

[charme]

No: HPFGUIDX 120946


> Charme wrote:
> " There's an old phrase which may suit here: "perception is 9/10th of
> the law." Interpretation of posts like these are individual to the
> reader, and what you mean to say and what actually comes through
> *about you* via your writing can be 2 entirely different things."
>
> Del replies:
> I completely agree, but accusing me of having said something I never
> even came close of saying is going way beyond interpretation.
> Interpretation is extrapolation based on the facts, it's not invention
> of new facts.

charme:

I'm sorry, did I actually accuse you of anything?  I don't believe I did, so 
let me be clear I'm not although I can understand how your comments could 
have been interpreted the way they were by the other party.  And I do 
disagree with your definition of interpretation, as what I perceive you've 
stated is fact (perhaps you don't mean for me to perceive or interpret it 
that way, but there it it is) and IMO, it's not.  To each his/her own, aye? 
BTW, please don't ask me if I'm a god, I've already inferred in prior posts 
how I feel. I'd like to think my brilliance and unadulterated genius speaks 
for itself (not) ;)
>
> Charme wrote:
> "is ignorance of the situation or outright denial the responsibility
> of the government or of the individual?  (I don't know - I can see it
> both ways and make it personal responsibility in RL to inform myself
> as much as possible, so I wouldn't limit myself to just the Prophet if
> I was a wizard :))"
>
> Del replies:
> I kind of agree, but I doubt any other newspaper or magazine reported
> anything better.
> We don't know what the Quibbler (a magazine to read with a very high
> dose of skepticism apparently) said about the war that DD was warning
> about. But even if it talked about it, it would most probably have
> been coated with such ridiculous accusations (like Fudge eating
> goblins, though I must admit I still wonder if maybe it couldn't be
> true...) that the real info would have been pretty much impossible to
> discern.
> Witch Weekly doesn't seem to be the kind of magazine that concerns
> itself with political issues, and even if it does, I would think it
> would very obediently repeat the official version of things. And so
> would most probably most of the other publications, if there are any.
> The Order did seem to imply that the MoM had a very tight control on
> the press. I guess this also includes the wireless network.
> So I agree that ideally people could have tried to find other sources
> of information, but I don't think they could have found anything of
> worth, short of writing to Harry and DD straight. And honestly, how
> many would even think of writing to someone who makes such weird
> claims as Harry and DD were making (except to insult them of course)?

charme:

I think explaining this as listening or questioning to what people *talk* 
about might be more prudent to the discussion. I have a different view in 
that  LV, per the Order members in OoP, likes to operate in secrecy and 
that's strikingly similiar to what happened with the Nazis in WW2. Here's 
one way I can explain what I'm trying to say: during the Holocaust, people 
*talked* about the rumors they heard WRT what was really happening to their 
neighboring Jews after being taken by the Nazis.  The *truth* came to light 
after all the talk, didn't it? The Quibbler, while not taken seriously about 
Fudge's goblin dinners (wooo, yummy), was taken more seriously by some 
wizards and sold copious copies when Harry told his story much the same way 
rumors about Holocaust came to print.  Maybe that's more the point I was 
trying portray, whether I'm right or wrong really doesn't matter to me. I 
firmly believe (and this is my opinion) there is a way to the truth if you 
seek it out.

>
> Charme wrote:
> " Remember, Harry  and DD were portrayed as off their rockers,
> ridiculed, etc in The Daily Prophet. In DD's case, he is a wizard who
> was lauded for the defeat of a dark wizard some years back and was
> stripped of some of his *position* in the community."

<snip the rest of the thread - I can accept what you're saying>