Loyalty to DD (Was Re: When does a war begin?)

[Renee]

No: HPFGUIDX 120951


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "delwynmarch" 
<delwynmarch at y...> wrote:
> 
> Renee wrote earlier:
>  "Marietta got the same information from DD as the other students 
did
> about what happened at the end of the Triwizard Tournament."
>  
> I, Del, replied:
> "Yes, and how many students believed Harry or DD at that time?"
> 
> Renee answered:
> "Irrelevant. Ernie Mcmillan and Zacharias Smith, to name a few, had
> the same information Marietta had, yet they didn't betray the DA."
> 
> Del replies:
> That wasn't what we were discussing. Your original argument that
> prompted my question was :
> 
> "Marietta got the same information from DD as the other students 
did
> about what happened at the end of the Triwizard Tournament. True,
> she did face a dilemma: to believe her own mother, working for the
> Ministry that denied Voldemorts return, or to believe DD. In the
> end, loyalty to her mother apparently overrode loyalty to the
> Headmaster."
> 
> You were implying that Marrietta was wrong for not believing Harry 
and
> as a consequence for not believing there was a war going on (this
> thread is about the war, remember). It wasn't about her betrayal
> months later, it was about not believing Harry and DD when DD told
> Harry's story at the end of GoF. So I'm asking you again : how many
> students believed Harry and DD then?
> 
Renee:
As you see I've renamed the thread now, as I should have done the 
first time, because I wasn't discussing the matter with regard to 
the war at all - sorry for causing confusion. 
What I was trying to say was, that Marietta would be wrong for being 
more loyal to her mother and the Ministry than to Dumbledore *if* 
loyalty to Dumbledore is a standard by which to judge the various 
characters' actions, as the end of COS seems to imply. I seem to 
recall that I also said I wasn't particularly happy with such an 
idea, but I can't stop reading the passage in COS that way. 
I hope I've made myself more clear this time...