[HPforGrownups] Re: Your greatest fear . . .

[Bee Chase]

No: HPFGUIDX 121251




Hans:
OK I'd like to have some lighthearted fun and join in this thread. 

First of all I totally agree with Doug. I trust Jo completely too. 
My reason is, as you will all have gathered by now, that I see Harry 
Potter as the latest version of the age-old story of total 
Liberation. I know the end of that story (theoretically) and so I 
know how Harry Potter will end in broad terms. There are 2 books 
which parallel Harry Potter with stunning exactness. They are not 
books of fiction, nor is Harry Potter. I may not get all the points 
exactly right, but I really and honestly think I've got 
the "atmosphere" of the end of the story through the 2 books, plus 
the others mentioned in my essay.

I'd like to ask you all now, not whether you agree with my 
predictions, but how you would FEEL about the above. Would they 
allay your fears, or, rather, realise them? 

Luckdragons response to Hans theories:

1. There is absolutely NO chance of the scenario where Harry wakes 
up at the end of book 7 and realises it was all a dream.

Luckdragon: Deep down I know Jo is much too good to do that, but then I get this little niggling feeling that the dream ending would release her once and for all from the series and allow her to persue new directions and that all us HP fans would be so disgusted we would leave her to get on with her life. Also the fact that this premise may have been set up when Dudley knocked Harry over during the zoo/snake seen in the beginning of PS/SS gives opportunity for the unconscious/dream scenario.

2. I think Harry will end up having Hagrid's job. I know this gets 
very close to what some of you fear, namely that Harry will lose his 
magic powers. 

Luckdragon:I disagree. Should Harry survive his final confrontation with LV I think he will follow his father's footsteps (whatever we learn that to be) as well as live off the loads of money his investment in the joke shop will bring in.

What will happen in my humble opinion is that Harry will be faced 
with a choice after defeating Voldemort - will he go on into total 
Nirvana, or will his compassion compel him to stay behind as a 
Bodhisattva to help others find liberation, i.e. enter the magical 
world? I think he will stay behind, which certainly does mean a 
curtailment of magic powers. However that will be part of the 
sacrifice. I don't know whether Jo will have his wand broken, like 
Hagrid's. I hope not. However being a Bodhisattva, i.e. a Master of 
Compassion IS a sacrifice and it hurts! But the compensation is that 
a person like that has come "Home" to his God-Father.

Luckdragon:I just can't see Harry living in the wizarding world without magic nor can I see him going back to the muggleworld while the only people who ever cared for him continue to exist without him.

I think there will be a connection between the "Room of Love" and 
Harry's final fate. He will probably be punished for having entered 
it (perhaps instead of the above "choice").

Luckdragon:The room must play a part in the story, but I'm hoping it will offer Harry the boost he needs to understand why he must do what he was meant to do.

3. I think Harry will defeat death. I know Jo has said "dead is 
dead", but I suspect she's laying a red herring. I'm sure the whole 
point of Harry Potter is to prove that death can be swallowed up in 
victory. Harry will go through the archway with the veil to find 
Sirius, and he will find him. He will return to the world in some 
way so that Jo can say, "although he's gone through the veil of 
death he didn't die, so I was right in saying 'dead is dead'". He 
will not find Lily or James though.

Luckdragon:My ultimate hope is that Harry will survive and although I feel he will find a way of communicating with both his parents and Sirius for help during the next 2 books I do not believe that will be a permanent option or that any of them will return physically or in spiritual form to the wizarding world.


4. Snape will sacrifice himself for Harry like the black king 
in "The Alchemical Wedding".

5. Lupin will sacrifice himself for Harry like the grey king in "The 
Alchemical Wedding".

Luckdragon: I agree about Lupin, I'm iffy on Snape.


6. Crabbe and Goyle will join Harry, or at least be helpful in some 
way. This was foreshadowed by Harry and Ron taking on Crabbe and 
Goyle's appearance in Book 2.

Luckdragon: Possible, but unlikely, I think.

7. Draco will join Harry in some way when he fights Voldemort. He 
may possibly die though, but he will end up on Harry's side. He will 
see the error of his ways, I'm sure. When I get to my character post 
on Draco you'll see why.

Luckdragon: I don't agree. Jo in her chats has made it pretty clear that Draco is a bad egg through and through, but I look forward to your character post.

8. There will be some sort of alchemical process involving the trio. 
I suspect Harry and Hermione will be united in some spiritual way, 
but Ron will also be with them at the end. I know what happens, but 
not how Jo will symbolise this.

Luckdragon: I agree and it has something to do with the 3 wands uniting.

9. I'm sure Dobby will be extremely helpful to Harry at the end. He 
may possible end up as Harry's elf in a voluntary capacity. Dobby 
will probably have very beautiful (golden?) clothes at the end.

Luckdragon: That's a nice thought, but I think Dobby will die for Harry probably in a confrontation with the Malfoy's

10. I have a gut feeling (no evidence whatsoever) that Harry will 
help Nearly Headless Nick over the threshold. Possibly other ghosts 
as well, including Moaning Myrtle(?)

Luckdragon: I don't know if he will get them over the threshold, that would really ruin the Hogwarts ghostly patronage, but I believe all the ghosts will come together to help in the war.

11. I DON'T think either Dumbledore or McGonagall will die (as they 
symbolise immortal forces).

Luckdragon: I hope you're right, but I kind of see Dumbledore as an Obiwan Kenobi(sp?)and McGonagall as Yoda

12. I think McGonagall and Dumbledore will preside over the 
alchemical wedding, whatever form that takes. I feel very sure this 
will take place in Dumbledore's office.

Luckdragon: That is a good possibility, but I see just Harry & LV on their own at the very end with everyone else watching, unable to help (similar to the golden cage scene)but on Hogwarts grounds, maybe in the chamber of secrets where they can invoke the spirits of the founders.

13. Lucius and Narcissa will get their comeuppance. But Harry will 
be kind to them. Perhaps they'll serve Harry if he takes over 
Hagrid's job.

Luckdragon:I hope he isn't kind. I'd perversely like to see them on there knees begging Harry for there lives.



14. Voldemort and Wormtail will die together. I'm sure their death 
won't be violent. Something like vaporising. I guess a bit like when 
Voldemort when he lost his body in 1981, but this time he'll be gone 
for sure.

Luckdragon: I see Peter doing something to weaken or defy Voldemort towards the end which will result in Peter's death, but Harry will vanquish LV.

15. Hagrid will "pass on" in some way. This means that when Harry 
will become keeper of the keys at Hogwarts Hagrid will be allowed to 
resume the progress that was cut short when he was expelled. I don't 
know whether he will die in the story, but that doesn't matter as Jo 
will prove there is no such thing as death. If he does pop his clogs 
he will continue his progress on the other side of the veil. No 
problem.

Luckdragon: I fear we will lose Hagrid as well, but I don't believe Harry will take his place.

16. I have no idea what will happen to Neville, Luna, Ginny, Sibyl 
etc, as I don't know whether they're meant to symbolise anything or 
are just fill-in characters.

Luckdragon: Ginny and Neville must live. Luna and Sybill I'm not too sure about.







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