Marietta and the DA.

[doddiemoemoe]

No: HPFGUIDX 121352


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler" 
<hickengruendler at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
> <susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
>   
> > 
> > SSSusan:
> > I believe the blame for Marietta's presence lies with all 
three.  
> > Cho should not have pushed her; Marietta should have just said 
no, 
> > thanks; and Hermione should have limited this first meeting to 
> > people she & Harry knew, while they worked out the details of 
what 
> > it was all about.
> 
> Hickengruendler:
> 
> But I believe that's what happened. Hermione was also very 
surprised 
> about the number of students, who appeared. I can see it like this:
> 
> Hermione and Ron finally convinced Harry to teach them DADA. Then 
> they decided, that it wasn't unfair for the other students, and 
> therefore they told the students they know and consider 
trustworthy. 
> The other Gryffindor's from their year, Ron's silblings and those 
who 
> openly supported Harry (Luna, Cho and Ernie and I think Hermione 
> mentioned Hannah as well, but I'm not sure). Then Ron or the twins 
> told the other members of the Gryffindor Quidditch team, plus Lee 
> Jordan, because they knew them enough and considered them 
> trustworthy. Ernie told the other Hufflepuffs, because they are 
his 
> friends, Parvati told her sister, Ginny told Michael and probably 
> Colin. Colin told Dennis and Michael told his friends. And Cho 
told 
> Marietta. I think Hermione (but also Ron) should have considered 
that 
> this might happen, but I still think it's better than telling 
nobody 
> at all and only preparing themselves and not think about the 
others. 
> All in all, it's still a very close group, who everybody is 
vouched 
> for by at least one other DA members who considered them 
trustworthy. 
> The only exception is Zacharias Smith, who overheard Hermione 
telling 
> Ernie. And like I said in my previous post, once they were there, 
it 
> was impossible for Harry or Hermione not to allow them to join the 
> group. Not only would it be unfair to exclude somebody by mere 
> suspicion, it also could have grave consequences, if said students 
> isn't prepared enough for the war. 
> 
> Hickengruendler

Doddiehere:

Hickengruen...I think you are absolutely right on track...I also 
think that Hermione never believed anoyone above their year would 
show up..(Fred, George etc.)

Of course we must mention the "flip-flop" factor...who 
believed/disbelieved the worse or  Harry Potter year two (COS) vs. 
who will believe him now post Tri-Wiz torn....(I'm betting hermione 
didn't confront too many of those who wore support cedric 
badges....Perhaps she was not paying close enough attention to 
notice that Cho eventually removed hers.)

I do get the feeling while reading about said meeting at the 
Hogshead Inn that perhaps Hermione would have sceduled another 
meeting if she thought anything may be amiss..but as we see from 
Harry's point of view there are a lot of distractions during the 
meeting; including who Ginny brought to the meeting(Ron's being 
upset at her new 'boyfriend').

Reading between the lines, I'm guessing that Willy Windershins 
connected Marietta with whom she looked like, her mother, and wormed 
his way out of the exploding toilet charges..The DA meetings went on 
to long for me to believe it was "Marrietta afraid of upseting her 
mother" rather than Mother contacting Marrietta and questioning her, 
finding out the truth and then Marietta's mother directing her to 
tell D.Umbridge immediately. (Marrietta's mother being a "higher-up" 
within those who regulate the floo network would have been able to 
communicate this to her daughter w/o D.Umbridges knowledge as she 
was Umbridge's contact for floo network operation..

AND I would not be surprised if Marietta's mother either wittingly 
or unwittingly arranged the message ordering the dementors to privet 
drive...hence Marrietta shows up to the meeting after her mother is 
telling her that Harry's trial proved the truth...(because she knew 
a message was sent from MOM to dementors...yet in light of what 
happened to Harry tells her to be loyal to the MOM....esp. the one 
who originated the ORIGINAL messages to the dementors (D. 
Umbridge)...

Perhaps this is a reason why M. Pomphrey cannot/will not cure 
marrietta...She is warning people that once you "choose a side" 
you "choose a side"....also a warning for kids to not follow blindly 
behind their parents...We see most of the children in HP to question 
authority(HP, Parents, OOP, MOM etc.)...and they should 
question...book five gave all of us a massive lesson on those who 
qauestion authority; those who refuse to question authority, also 
where and when to question it as well as all the possible outcomes 
of those questioning and those doing little of answering...(a little 
leeway on either side would probably have resulted in a better 
outcome).  Some questioned too much, some not enough, and some 
simply asked the wrong questions.

Perhaps we all see this, but do not discusss it because this entire 
issue is better off placed on DD's shoulders more than anyone else's 
in the books. It may well be on DD's shoulders but throughout book 
five we have no idea...only a confession at the end...Perhaps DD was 
hurt more at his removal from certain postitions in the Wizarding 
community than we realize; after all...the only one he could get to 
come to Harry's defense was Mrs. Figg..we know he chose her to LIE 
and she was close on the scene...but I remember in the trial that he 
did not offer up another wittness (muggle or otherwise), but merely 
offered to bring Mrs. Figg in again.

So, going along these same lines...if not all are happy/safe to 
question authority..key word:  ALL;  Then who does DD answer to?  
I'm sure it's not a prophecy alone, especially from Trelawney.

Is there more than one prophecy? (IMO: probably as Harry is known 
internationally...we know this via Harry's experiences during the 
quidditch cup and the Centaur's reaction to Harry/Quirellmort in the 
forbidden forrest in book 1; and again in book five with firenze 
turning up to teach divination).(I wonder if after having D.Umbridge 
in their midst for so long that more than one centaur may think 
firenze has the right idea?  And who is this M. Pomphrey that she 
doesn't even take out the bits of leaves and twigs from D.Umbridges 
hair while she was in the hospital after the MOM battle?!?*snicker*)

Nope Marrieta wasn't pried by cho to go to DADA meetings...but, I 
think, rather by her mother who told Marrietta that she must look 
out for her(Mariett's mother) as D.Umbridge was going to be there 
this term...

I just wonder if there's any connection between what Marrietta's 
mother was saying and Kingsley Shaklebolts experiences in the 
MOM..After all DD could have given his "big bang" sooner in the 
scene...seemed like he was prolonging it for Fudge's and Umbridge's 
delight.


Yes, I know I wonder alot...but I know that Marietta is not 
blameless alone...I believe someone encouraged her to do 
it...Because she was left for so long with the scars the contract 
she breached leads me to believe that it may be her REASONS for 
betraying rather than the actual betrayal why the pustules are still 
there; OR it may be her CHOOSING a SIDE the reason why the betrayal 
is still there as it is with so many in OOP.

Doddiemoemoe,

--Who thinks if Hermione did a protean charm with little/no sweat( 
or, confurng with H or R...then she could have charmed the paper to 
dole out swifter punishments "depending"..after all we have been 
discussing Hermione and values/morals a great deal of late).  Yes, 
we've seen it coming but it certainly did stink to have "three sides 
in OOP.