[HPforGrownups] Re: Marietta and the DA.

[charme]

No: HPFGUIDX 121619


> Eggplant wrote:
> "Oh yes I see it now, you spotted me in a contradiction, it's
> enormous, titanic, colossal, the contradiction would be clear as a
> bell even to a blind man, no doubt about it! Yes indeed, in fact it's
> so obvious so vast so huge so astronomical that I'll bet you won't
> even insult our intelligence by spelling out exactly why it's a
> contradiction, but rather you will, as the textbooks say, leave it as
> an exercise in logic for the reader."
>
> Del replies:
> You're discussing me and my method here, not my opinion.
>
> My problem was : you say that even professionals didn't manage to find
> a way to prevent treason during the Cold War, so we shouldn't expect
> Hermione to have found one. But by your own admission, you consider
> the situation with the DA in OoP to be similar to a hot war such as
> WWII. So my question was : why compare Hermione's range of action with
> the range of actions of the secret services during the Cold War, when
> the 2 situations are not similar according to what you stated earlier?
> I would rather expect you to stick with your previous parallels and
> discuss Hermione's range of actions compared to that of the different
> types of partisans during WWII. Maybe you could make your point just
> as easily for all I know, but when you shift from one similitude to
> another, it looks, well, dishonest. Especially when you then refuse to
> answer my questions and prefer to use sarcasm and ridicule to try and
> make me feel bad for even daring to ask those questions in the first
> place.


Charme:

As Snape would say, you two are arguing like an old married couple. :) 
(Don't turn me into a ferret, Elves, it's canon! :))  Eggplant, if I've 
misunderstood/misconstrued you in any way with what I'm about to post, just 
beat me soundly with one of Filch's whips - I can take it. Just leave the 
thumbscrews alone, ok? :)

Del, I didn't perceive the 2 points to be related; naturally you're entitled 
to your view.  My interpretation is the first point regarding Hermoine's 
ability to judge the "trustworthiness" of others compared to professionals 
(the example being secret services in the Cold War - which BTW had far more 
of the intelligence quotient than WWII and is a better example) is separate 
from the second comparison of open or secret declaration of war in WWII vs 
the events in OoP. It's not, IMO conflicting, contradictory, or dishonest - 
it's substantiating two distinct points if I am perceiving Eggplant's post 
correctly.