Ahha!! I've got it... Harry's eyes/Time-turner/ LV

[imamommy at sbcglobal.net]

No: HPFGUIDX 122001


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote:
> 
> I (Vivian) wrote:
> 
> I agree with you. I've been saying this for quite a while now.
> By the way people really hate time turner theories on this site.
> 
> Nicky Joe Responded:
> I hate the idea of the time turner in general. Why not use it to go
> back and save Sirius? Why was it okay to use it to save him from the
> Dementors but not okay to use it to save him from falling through 
the
> veil? If I were Harry, I'd be demanding the thing. I'd probably
> even steal it to try and save Sirius. *Terrible things happen to
> wizards that meddle with time*. Well, nothing happened to them when
> they meddled with it last time. Does Dumbledore have the power to
> know when using the time turner is a good idea and when it's a bad
> idea? If so, he's bloody more powerful than we ever suspected. It
> worked great to further the plot and wrap things up nicely in PoA,
> but I wish they would have smashed it to smithereens after that in
> order that it never be used again.

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imamommy:

There is a bit of a contradiction here, in the way JKR uses the time 
turner.  In PoA there is only one version of events; we at first 
think there are two, but in fact there is only one, the one in which 
they save Buckbeak, Harry casts the Patronus, and Sirius flies into 
the wild blue on Buckbeak.

But wizards killing their other self?  Presents a logic problem, 
doesn't it?  Let's say you are sitting quietly when You walk into the 
room.  You are taken aback; what are You doing there?  Must be some 
Evil!Polyjuiced Dude.  So you kill You. Then you find the time turner 
and realize what you did to You.  Do you think you would really take 
the TT in the future if you knew that you were going to kill You?

Let's flip it around.  Let's say something You do when You go back in 
time results in your (past self's) demise.  Then you have a paradox, 
because You won't be alive to go back in time and kill yourself.

Why can't we go back and save Sirius?  Because Sirius fell through 
the veil.  That only way Harry could TT to save him is if he had 
evidence that he *had* TT'd to save him.

IMO, this is how DD knew to send them back in PoA.  He knew Buckbeak 
got away, he knew Hermione had the TT, he knew someone had cast a 
Patronus from across the lake...he added up the facts and figured out 
what needed to happen.  I think that was all the foresight DD needed 
on that one.

So we can't go back and save the dead, because they weren't saved.  
Clear as mud?

imamommy