houses/Lily's death/Snape/Harry saving people/Fidelius/Family tree (was re: another week of posts)

[Juli]

No: HPFGUIDX 122153


I've answered some of Catlady's replies and snipped the
ones I've already replied.  BTW, Nice replies!

> Alla wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/121978 :
> 
> << You don't see Slytherin offering the rematch because the Seeker of
> the other team was hurt, for example. >>  

Catlady replied: 
> You don't see Gryffindor or Ravenclaw offering any such thing, either.
> That may have something to do with why the Twins thought Cedric was
> "thick" and why Hufflepuff (according to Harry's thoughts in GoF) gets
> very little glory. I have previously suggested that the ideal
> Hufflepuff is a Gryffindor minus the craving for personal glory.

Juli: I think the twins are so into Quidditch that
anyone who ever wins a match over them is instantly
their "enemy". Even when Cedric was chosen for the
TWT, the Gryffindors were upset about it. They
(Gryffs) like to win and whoever makes them lose isn't
their friend anymore. I believe that Hufflepuffs just
don't seem to care for glory, they just care for doing
what's right ( I never remember seeing a Hufflepuff in
detention). I don't think Gryffindors crave for
personal glory, they crave for team glory, they want
their house to win, they want to do what's best for
the house or the WW and they'll do whatever it takes
to accomplish it.

> Tonks wrote http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/121980 :
> 
> << I was trying to figure out a reason LV would need
> to kill Harry and James, but not Lily. >> 

Catlady replied:
<snip> 
> Another speculation is that LV didn't *need* to kill James any more
> than he *needed* to kill Lily, but was not in the habit of leaving
> people who fought against him alive. That he made a token effort to
> get Lily to surrender instead of being killed either because he had
> promised Lily to one of his Death Eaters as a reward, or (IIRC this
> next was called SO EWWW-ER iTS IN THE SEWER) he wants Lily to bear him
> a child because of a prophecy that the war will be won by Lily's
> child's father.

Juli: I really like the first part of this theory, I
like to think that even if LV kills for the pleasure
of it, he still values a good fight and a fight needs
a winner.  Lily didn't want to fight with him, she just
told him to kill her and spare Harry, maybe it touched
some sensible nerve inside of him, or he may have
remembered just for a second that a sacrifice for love
gives protection, therefore that's why he was
unwilling to kill her at first.

> Alla http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/122048 :
> 
> << Since when in order to be a good human being, you don't have to be
> "nice" human being? >>

Catlady replied:
> I can't remember which writer wrote that you can't judge that a person
> is morally mediocre just because he/she is always rude and insulting
> and complains a lot, even whines, and displays a very grudging
> attitude whenever he/she helps someone, because for all you know, the
> person's natural personality might be SO nasty that he/she is using an
> incredible amount of willpower just to hold it down to average nasty,
> and maybe using that much willpower to force oneself to do the right
> thing is a much bigger moral achievement than the average good person
> makes. No, I personally don't think that applies to Snape, but I admit
> that I haven't seen into his heart.

Juli: Finally I read an explanation I like about
Severus' nastiness. He is nice sometimes, but mostly
he's rude and nasty, but does it make him a bad
person? No, at least not in my book. I mean, sometimes
I wake up and I'm a bitch with everyone for no reason,
but am I bad? Nope, just having a bad moment or day,
maybe Severus is having a bad decade.

> Eggplant wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/122079 :
> 
> << I think Snape's mission at the end of Goblet Of Fire was to
> secretly teach Occlumency to as many Death Eaters as he could without
> Voldemort's knowledge. >>

Catlady replied:
> Interesting! (You-uns know about one-line posts being forbidden. This
> is an Even More Forbidden one-WORD post.)

Juli: But what purpose would it serve the Order other
than the brief moments of Severus inside the DE's
brains? Maybe some DEs are now in the good guys' side
and just like Snape they need to lie to LV.

> Magda wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/122088 :
> 
> << It would also stand as a test to see how far Harry's compassion
> will go - will he stick his neck out only to save his friends or
> people he likes or will it extend as far as saving Snape, who he
> loathes? >>

Catlady wrote:
> Early in OoP, Harry stuck his neck out to save Dudley from the
> Dementors, if I recall correctly only minutes after Harry had been
> bullying Dudley.

Juli: Yes I do, Harry is so noble that he always tries
to save everyone. At the end of OoP he tried to Crucio
Bella, not AK her. I believe he feels that it's not
right for anyone to die because of him. He could
hardly believe the prophesy, he couldn't believe that
he had to kill anyone. 

I hope in the next books we'll see the Harry/Severus
relationship evolve, and then (or even before) Harry
will try to save Snape, Harry even has some sort of
life debt to Snape for saving his life in PS/SS.

> Pippin wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/122090 :
> 
> << (the Order's secrets are in little danger since they are under
> fidelius >>

Catlady replied:
> I thought only the location of Headquarters was under Fidelius?

Juli: Yes, the location is under Fidelius, anything
else can be told to whoever. The Trio and the Weasleys
talk about it all the time, but do they have any
really important information about the order? besides
its members I think the rest is pretty obvious.

> Alla wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/122114 :
> 
> << And remember when Sirius shows Harry the tapestry? Harry could have
> missed a few names on there surely. I do think that all of this blood
> relatedness of many pureblood families will lead us to new
> interesting discoveries. >> 

Catlady replied:
> It's entirely possible that children fathered out-of-marriage by the
> Black menfolks don't show on the tapestry in the first place.
> Especially if the reason he didn't marry the child's mother is that
> she wasn't pure-blood.

Juli: So maybe Severus could show up? If you get
burned from the tapestry for running away from home,
being illegitimate surely won't get you a place there.

Juli