The Scar , Runes, and Theories of GH events. WAS ( His mothers eyes)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 122254


> Kemper wrote:
<snip I didn't want to Kemper, sorry>  So when the AK is cast 
against Harry, it rebounds back to LV because Lily is dead, and a 
part of Lily, through her charm, is in Harry.  
> > But then, why didn't LV die?  I don't know, but I'm thinking 
about it.
>

Valky to Kemper:
Like Carol and others, I think your theory makes for spine-tingling 
story telling. 
As well as that, I am really beginning to believe the graveyard 
ressurrection potion reveals something to us. So as far as I am 
concerned you are on the right track there.

> Carol responds:
> I've also been arguing for a protective charm placed on Baby!Harry,
> but your version gives me shivers. Also, we have indications that 
Lily was good with Charms but nothing has been said about her and 
potions. Still, a potion combined with an incantation does sound 
like a form of "ancient magic" so I'm certainly not ruling it out.
>

Valky to Carol:
Hi sorry for the late reply Carol, it seems that this thread is 
getting close to the mark going by all the interest, don't you 
think. ;D

Like I said I am entirely dead certain that Lily's brilliance in 
Charmwork relates to what she did in Godrics Hollow that night to 
protect Harry. The most interesting Charm spell we have been shown 
to date is the Fidelius, but I wonder how it is performed, is it 
placed on the Secret Keeper or on the Secret or both? 

The reason I ask is that the Protean Charm that Hermione uses on the 
DA (Newt Level BTW, it is advanced to affect people with charms) 
charms the object and it affects the people that sign 'to the 
object.' I wonder does the Secret keeper have to sign to something, 
too? 

Basically what I am reaching for is that Charms seem to be placed on 
something rather than someone, and there does seem a need for an 
agreement to be made on that object. 

So say that Lily placed the Charm on her blood, that it be spilled 
to protect itself where ever else it is. The Voldemort would have to 
agree to that. I think "No not Harry, take me instead" says Lily.
"O.K. Foolish woman, if you insist I will kill you." say Voldie will 
suffice. The contract is made.

Now if Voldemort spills Lily's blood he cannot spill it again 
because he has agreed under a Charm spell on it. 
Having said all that there is still the matter of the mark on Harrys 
head and the result on Voldemort to disentangle.

Carol worte:
> Here's my version, combining my theories and Kempers and 
attempting to answer the question about Voldemort:
> 
> Lily places an elaborate Protego (shield charm) on Baby Harry, 
perhaps involving an incantation like the one Kemper hypothesized 
(as opposed to the mere name of the spell), and, using her finger, 
marks Harry's forehead with an (defense) eihwaz rune, <snip>
The Protego deflects the AK onto Voldemort, who is not killed 
because of the protections he put on himself (even he doesn't know 
which "experiments" made him immortal, but something did. <snip> 
While the wound is open, some of Voldemort's powers and possibly 
some of his anger enters into Harry. <snip>
Harry, marked as Voldemort's equal by the very scar that symbolizes 
his protection, now possesses some of the same powers in latent 
form.)


Valky:
Ok. now heres my version incorporating the parts I personally 
believe stand out in Carol and Kempers and other posts.

Lily seals her blood with a Charm, her last line of defence for her 
son she decides to use when her beloved husband dies and she 
realises that she and Harry are alone. She probably spills her own 
blood to do this, and most likely she gives Harry some ceremonial 
gift of her blood, like the baptism that Carol suggested.

Voldemort enters the room and tells her to stand aside, why I don't 
really know but somehow, she expects him to because this is her 
means of activating the Charm. because he has given her the chance 
to live she is in a position to offer her blood as a sacrifice for 
Harry. 

Voldemort thinks nothing of it because it seems foolish and 
pointless to him that she let herself die, so he says "OK you're an 
idiot, by the way I am going to kill your son anyway." _insert high 
cold laughter_ and AK's Lily. 

Like the members of the DA under Hermione's spell Voldemort has no 
idea what he just signed to so he tries to AK Harry. Who's the idiot 
now? 

He cannot spill Lily's blood a second time so the AK fails, but 
Voldemort has summoned the fiercest of his hatred to perform this 
curse, he wants all trace of this threat to his dominion 
obliterated, its big heavy and powerful. It touches Harry and bang 
it becomes a curse on Voldemort due to the charm. Much in the way 
the Protean was activated. 

Voldemort thinks he is dying, but he's not about to go out without a 
fight, like a hot air balloon going down he starts offloading weight 
to keep himself alive, including Tom Riddle and all his powers. But 
the curse keeps coming at its target The betrayer, until nothing is 
left but a ugly creature. 

Stupid Voldemort again, Lily is no killer, her charm was never going 
to kill him, but it did incite the reaction to be expected of him.

As DD says "Naturally" he threw everything he could spare at the 
charms wrath. His powers, his former self, whatever was left of his 
innocence. The only power he had left was his ability to possess the 
bodies of others. (BTW Is this a clue that Tom had allowed himself 
to be possessed by an entity of evil in his experiments?)

So what does that all have to do with Runes? Ok here's the part 
you've probably skipped to. 

First I noted a couple of interesting posts from Gerry 
Gerry wrote:
the scar is described as a lightning bolt. And that would mean the 
sowulo rune, and not the eihwaz. 

and in another post Gerry also wrote:
But if we want to speculate about the scar as a rune (which is fun), 
I think it important we use the right rune.

These are good points so I had a look at some Runic Alphabets.

The sowulo rune corresponds to the letter S:
In terms of LV that could mean.
1. The sound of a Snake hissing... Parseltongue.
2. the Name Slytherin
3. It also looks like a snake.

It means Sun when it is in its original position, a blessing.
It cannot be reversed, but can a appear in opposition.

Now I think that this is the one question we really need to consider 
about Runes.

When Hermione mentions the Eiwahz Rune, are we supposed to associate 
it with a lightning bolt? It only looks a *little* like one. 
OTOH it is symbolic of the Yew tree, which we should all be aware by 
now is the wood of Voldemorts wand. Are we being given a clue about 
Voldemorts wand vs Harry's wand instead ? 
The Holly Tree Rune is Ur and it indicates untapped potential and 
physical strength.
 
More on runes - it is the Algiz that is specifically used to 
indicate shield, it is like a Y with a vertical line in the top, the 
first meaning given eiwahz, by Hermione, in OOtP is defence but 
eiwahz also means having a sense of purpose. 

It is likely we are going to be able to apply a study in runes to 
the events in the books. As Carol points out the mention of it by 
Hermione almost 100% qualifies it as a clue. And since it's about 
all we have on runes it must apply to something we are already 
seeing in detail, which does lead to the scar. 

If Harry is scarred with eiwahz, though, does it mean he's wearing a 
mark of defense as per the meaning of the eiwahz, or does it mean 
he's marked by the Yew tree and therefore death?
OTOH if he's not scarred with the eiwahz at all what exactly does 
the scar mean, and what else could the eiwahz apply to?

The other things we know about the scar other than shape are that it 
is on Harry's head, it wasn't caused by the AK because AK leaves no 
scar , that Harry got it when he got Voldemorts powers and Voldemort 
was reduced to nothing, and finally that he is connected to 
Voldemort either through it or by means of something that relates to 
it. 

All in all I am no closer than ever before, but that could be my own 
fault because, in the past year we have all, I think, gotten *too* 
close to the right answers, and I don't want to spoil the ending for 
myself. I might be sabotaging, I don't know. :D

Valky