Imperius Resistance and Occlumency was Harry's anger (was Re: Draco's anger.)
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Tue Jan 18 15:59:00 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 122285
Eggplant:
> It must be more than that, Harry didn't need to do homework to
master the Imperious Curse and according to Snape that's very
similar to Occlumency. Even some very formidable characters,
like the real Moody and Crouch Junior and Senior, find it very
difficult to resist the Imperius Curse, it seems to take them
years of effort to even win even a partial victory. Yet Harry
learned how to throw it off completely in just a few minutes in
his very first lesson.
> There must be a reason he couldn't do the same with
Occlumency and I think that reason is Snape.
Pippin:
Wait a minute. You're comparing two teachers, Fake!Moody and
Snape, on the basis of their apparent success and you decide
that Snape must be the saboteur?
I don't expect to change your mind, but I find it much, much
easier to believe that Fake!Moody was the saboteur. Maybe he let
Harry *think* he'd taught him to beat Imperius. Here's the canon:
(Moody had insisted on putting Harry through his paces four
times in a row, until Harry could throw off the curse entirely) --
GoF ch 15.
That's our unreliable narrator talking, you know, the one who told
us Harry's parents died in a car crash. My question is, how do we
know Fake!Moody didn't lift the curse himself? Snape did it in
Occlumency lessons:
He pushed himself up again to find Snape staring at him, his
wand raised. It looked as though, this time, Snape had lifted the
spell before Harry had even tried to fight back.-OOP 24
>From that, I conclude that when Harry came out of his trance, he
might not automatically know whether he had successfully
fought off the spell or the caster had lifted it.
Why did Voldemort think he could use Imperius on Harry? IMO,
because he thought his faithful servant had only pretended to
teach Harry how to resist it! Of course Voldemort got rather a
shock in that regard, just as he did when he tried to possess
Harry at the ministry.
So far, Harry has proven able to resist several of Voldemort's
powers: avada kedavra, imperius, and possession, with little or
no instruction. No other wizard has such powers. It would be
economical to assume there's one reason for all of that: the
power behind the door.
Eggplant:
That seems cowardly to me. It's like the heavyweight boxing
champion of the world putting on protective padding before
fighting a little boy while the kid gets nothing.
Pippin:
This is training, not a contest. I believe in training the
instructor often wears more protective gear than the student,
because the instructor pulls his punches, whereas the student
must learn to fight back with everything he has, as Harry is
instructed to. Snape never did get at the memory of Cho, did he?
Pippin
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