Imperius Resistance and Occlumency was Harry's anger (was Re: Draco's anger.)

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Tue Jan 18 15:59:00 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 122285


Eggplant:
> It must be more than that, Harry didn't need to do homework to 
 master the Imperious Curse and according to Snape that's very 
 similar to Occlumency. Even some very formidable characters, 
like  the real Moody and Crouch Junior and Senior, find it very 
difficult  to resist the Imperius Curse, it seems to take them 
years of effort  to even win even a partial victory. Yet Harry
learned how to  throw  it off completely in just a few minutes in 
his very  first lesson. 


> There must be a reason he couldn't do the same with 
Occlumency and I  think that reason is Snape. 

Pippin:

Wait a minute. You're comparing two teachers, Fake!Moody and 
Snape, on the basis of their apparent success and you decide 
that Snape must be the saboteur?

I don't expect to change your mind, but  I find it much, much 
easier to believe that Fake!Moody was the saboteur. Maybe he let 
Harry *think* he'd taught him to beat Imperius.  Here's the canon:

(Moody had insisted on putting Harry through his paces four 
times in a row, until Harry could throw off the curse entirely) -- 
GoF ch 15.

 That's our unreliable narrator talking, you know, the one who told 
us Harry's parents died in a car crash. My question is, how do we 
know Fake!Moody didn't lift the curse himself?  Snape did it  in 
Occlumency lessons:

He pushed himself up again to find Snape staring at him, his 
wand raised. It looked as though, this time, Snape had lifted the 
spell before Harry had even tried to fight back.-OOP 24

>From that, I conclude that when Harry came out of his trance, he 
might not automatically know whether he had successfully 
fought off the spell or the caster had lifted it. 

Why did Voldemort think he could use Imperius on Harry? IMO, 
because he  thought  his faithful servant had only pretended to 
teach Harry how to resist it! Of course Voldemort got rather a 
shock in that regard, just as he did when he tried to possess 
Harry at the ministry. 

So far, Harry has proven able to resist several of Voldemort's 
powers: avada kedavra, imperius, and possession, with little or 
no instruction. No other wizard has such powers.  It would be 
economical to assume there's one reason for all of that: the 
power behind the door. 


Eggplant:
 That seems  cowardly to me. It's like the heavyweight boxing 
champion of the  world putting on protective padding before 
fighting a little boy  while the kid gets nothing.

Pippin:
This is training, not a contest. I believe in  training the
instructor often wears more protective gear than the student, 
because the instructor pulls his punches, whereas the student 
must learn to fight back with everything he has, as Harry is 
instructed to. Snape never did get at the memory of Cho, did he?

Pippin







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