In Defense of Snape (long)
horridporrid03
horridporrid03 at yahoo.com
Tue Jan 18 22:25:42 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 122316
>>Betsy replied:
>Oh, I agree that Snape was setting Harry up for failure. I just
think there was a reason for the behavior as I state above ["to make
the correct impression on Draco Malfoy. Snape is a spy"].<
>>SSSusan:
>Seems kind of a dumb thing to do, though, doesn't it? Set Harry up
for failure from the beginning? I mean, you're arguing that Snape is
one of the Good Guys, one who never wants to see Voldy return, one
who wants him eliminated if he does return? Then wouldn't he WANT
Harry Potter -- the kid who vanquished Voldy the first time, the only
one who apparently has a chance to beat him for good -- to learn?
>Or are you thinking that at this point Snape knows nothing about
Harry's likely role in any future Voldycide? Or that he doesn't
believe Voldy will return? It seems to me that that *can't* be your
point; otherwise, why would Snape have to maintain a cover w/ the DE
kids? If he isn't in on the possibility that Voldy's still hanging
round out there, trying to make a comeback, then Snape wouldn't have
to maintain any cover or worry about what the DE kids thought of him,
would he?<
<snip>
Betsy:
I was using a bit of slang up there -- sorry! To "set someone up for
failure," means to arrange things so they'll make a fool out of
themselves. So in that first class Snape set Harry up for failure by
asking him potion questions he probably didn't know the answer for
and blaming Harry and Ron for Neville's potion accident (as Geoff
pointed out - Snape probably would've yelled at them if they *had*
helped Neville). I don't think he's not trying to teach Harry (or
Neville for that matter), but I do think part of Snape's method is to
choose a scapegoat in order to scare the crap out of the class and
motivate them to never, ever be in the scapegoat's position (i.e. do
the reading, learn the potions, etc.). For various reasons
(including the Spy!Snape one) Harry was chosen for that illustrious
position.
So yes, I think Snape is aware of Harry's importance in the fight
against Voldemort. And I have strong suspisions that he's aware of
Neville's position too.
>>Betsy:
>I'm not trying to argue that Snape is the best teacher at Hogwarts,
but he is one of the better ones.<
>>SSSusan:
>And I agree that Snape really knows his stuff, that he is effective
in getting many of the students to really pay attention, to work
hard, to work to high standards, and, likely, to achieve high marks
on OWLS. But his viciousness with Harry & Neville -- the only two
potential Prophecy Boys -- seems to me to be shooting The Order's
mission in the foot.<
Betsy:
I think, based on Neville's smile and Harry's confidence, that both
boys ended up doing well on their Potion's exam in OotP. In which
case, Snape is a good teacher. However, if they both blew their
exams (especially Harry - Neville really did seem hopeless in class -
how many cauldrons did he end up destroying?) then I'll have to
reexamine my view on the matter.
Betsy
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