Harry's anger (was Re: Draco's anger.)

[potioncat]

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> "festuco" <vuurdame at x> wrote 
> > Where exactly do you see Snape make fun
> > of Harry? The only thing
> > he asks is who owned the dog. 
>
Eggplant replied: 
> There is no reason in the world Snape would care who owned the 
dog, but Harry knew why he asked the question, he wanted Harry to 
know he  had seen it, and that's why Harry hated him.

Potioncat:
quoting from OoP chpt 24
It is during the first Occlumency lesson. Harry had seen: Dudley's 
bike, the Digger incident, the Sorting Hat, Hermione as a cat, 
dementors and he was just starting to see Cho and the kiss:

"Did you see everything I saw?" Harry asked, unsure whether he 
wanted to hear the answer.
"Flashes of it," said Snape, his lip curling. "To whom did the dog 
belong?
"My Aunt Marge," Harry muttered,hating Snape.
"Well, for a first attempt that was not as poor as it might have 
been'" said Snape..."

Harry asks and Snape answers, choosing one episode to ask about. But 
not dwelling on it. It is one of the first memories.  And if you get 
down to it, not one of the more dangerous ones or Snape related 
ones. Snape actually goes to one that is far from the private one 
about Cho. Was he trying to put Harry at ease or at least, not 
embarrass him too much? Or did he want to know about the dog?

  Later on, IRRC, Snape will ask about important DE/MoM scenes that 
he sees in Harry's thoughts.  Is there something about that episode 
or something about Digger that Snape thinks is important?  Keep in 
mind the dog happens to belong to Marge.  Marge who has had wine 
glasses break in her hand. We think Harry did it at Privet Lane. But 
how did it happen before?

To get to my point, I'm not so sure Snape was trying to embarrass 
Harry.  Keep in mind, Occlumency is the act of looking into a 
person's mind, and later Harry will look into Snape's mind. When he 
does, Snape does not become angry.


>Eggplant says: 
> Occlumency is quite literally a mind game, you fight with what you 
> have and capitalize on any mistake your opponent makes. Snape was 
> stupid to let Harry know that he put very special memories in the 
> pensive that he didn't want him to see. Snape was stupid to leave 
> Harry alone with the very same pensive. Snape was REALLY stupid to 
> expect he would do nothing about it right after he had stolen 
> memories from Harry's mind and humiliated him. Perhaps next time 
> Snape will be more careful because after mistakes like if Harry 
were  a Death Eater Snape would be dead. I think Snape learned more 
from Harry than Harry learned from Snape.

Potioncat:
Chapter 28 of OoP not quoting, but giving a summary:
Harry shows up for class.  Snape asks if he has practiced. Harry 
lies. Snape says they'll see. Draco bursts in with news that 
Montague has been found, wedged in a toilet.  Snape rushes out. 
Harry looks into the Pensieve.

Snape had not just "stolen memories and humiliated him" he had 
simply asked if Harry had practiced. Snape was foolish to leave the 
Pensieve unattended.  Stupid? No. Understandable,I think, given the 
circumstance. He didn't just go out for a cup of tea, you know. He 
and Harry are on the same side in this war. Snape is actually 
demonstrating some trust here.

Eggplant:
> If McGonnagall had just looked into Draco's mind for his most 
> embarrassing memories and then laughed at them and then if she had 
> made the same series of colossal blunders that Snape had then yes, 
> I'd tell Draco to go for it. However McGonnagall is not likely to 
do  either of those things.

Potioncat:
As my summary shows, Snape had not just looked into Harry's mind, 
nor laughed at him.  And I don't think Snape goes looking for 
embarrassing moments. 

I am willing to allow that Snape was pre-occupied and should not 
have left Harry alone with the Pensieve. And I think Harry should 
not have gone into the Pensieve, but I can understand why he did.

Yeah, I know Professor Snape can be difficult, but I don't think he 
was being a jerk in these two episodes.

Eggplant, I have one request, not sure if others have the same 
problem. Could you attribute each section?  When I'm trying to reply 
to your posts, I have trouble telling which poster is responsible 
for which section.
Thanks,
Potioncat