LV's experiments - The Deadly Protection - Future

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 122406


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
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> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> 
> wrote:
> BIG Snip> 
> > The Future:
> > Very confusing.... One could speculate that if Voldemort tries to
> > kill Harry, he will again, in a sense, be killing himself, or at 
> > least, a part of himself. Hard to guess the result, but certainly 
> > a  sticky problem.
> > 
> > On the other hand, I'm not sure what would happen if Harry tries 
> > to kill Voldemort. Would that open the door for ... 'essense of 
> > Voldemort' being both the killer and the killed?
> > 
> > I think the idea has potential, but what it means for the rest of 
> the series is hard to guess, ...
> > 
> > Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)


 
> Tonks here:
> 
> WOW!!! What a great post.  I am very impressed. I like what you have 
> said, it does make sense. 

bboyminn:

Thanks, I owe it all to your inspiration.


> Tonks continues:
>
> Now how are we going to destroy LV? 

bboyminn:

Isn't that the ultimate question; the great mystery of the series?



> Tonks continues:
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> Harry can not use an AK curse ... Harry is too full of love to do 
> that. 
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> And I don't think that Harry can commit suicide, because JKR would 
> not do that with a world full of impressionable teenagers watching. 
> No, not good role modeling. Where does that leave us? How can LV be 
> destroyed? Is killing and destroying the same thing?
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Tonks_op
> PS. you are not the Lexicon Steve? All this time I thought that you 
> were.

bboyminn:

How can Harry destroy Voldemort, that is truly the big question? I
also have trouble seeing Harry casting the AK against Voldemort and
killing him. Harry's too young and too nice, and too many
impressionable people are watching. 

Although, a certain anger at Voldemort in me says, 'kill him Harry,
kill him', the other part of me that loves Harry really doesn't want
to wish that misery onto a boy who has already had too much misery in
his life.

As to suicide, well I don't think you truly mean suicide, but instead
mean some scenerio in which Harry willingly sacrifices himself in
order to destroy Voldemort. I don't like that idea because it is one
that is emotionally painful for me. I love poor Harry, and don't want
to see him go.

Side note: I have predicted an unprecedented in magnitude worldwide
period of mourning if Harry Potter dies. A period of mourning of a
magnitude beyond belove Kings and Presidents.


However, I do have two speculative endings that are consistent with
this new 'Protection Charm' theory.

First, I must bring your attention to the Veiled Archway in the
Chamber of Death, the one Sirius fell through. I can't possibly
imagine that that was the last time we will ever see or have to deal
with the Veil. A plot device of that magnitude positively screams for
more page time.

So, once upon a midnight dreary as I pondered weak and weary, this
scenerio came to mind. Through some set of cicumstances that I have
yet to imagine, the final showdown occurs in the Chamber of Death. In
a heated battle from which Harry realizes there can be no winners,
Harry makes the ultimate sacrifice. In a moment of distraction Harry
siezes (or perhaps, possesses) Voldemort and pulls him behind the Veil.

Behind the Veil awaits Voldemort's many victims who pull him down to
the depths of hell where he belongs. Harry on the otherhand is
reunited with his Parents and Sirius in a tearful heartwrenching
scene. After many hugs and tears, Harry's parents tell him that it is
not his time and that he must go back. So, dead Harry returns to life,
and goes on to live that life in peace, love, and prosperity.

This 'return from the dead' is not that unrealistic. The same thing
happens in real-life all the time. People have near-death experiences.
They die by some definition, then travel down a long tunnel towards a
light. Just before they reach the light, they are met by a dead loved
one, or perhaps a guardian angel, who tells them it is not there time
and they must go back. 

Any chance this sounds familiar? The /savior/ who sacrifices himself
and returns from the dead? 

In the second version, we know we have TWO Prophecy Boys, perhaps some
combination of the two will destroy Voldemort.

In Version 'A' of this option, Harry must die by some techincal
definition of death, for a brief period of time after Harry's death,
Voldemort is at his peak of vulnerability. During this window of
Vulnerability, Neville, in an fit of rage intent on avenging Harry's
death, kills Voldemort (AK or whatever). 

While Harry is dead, he hasn't quite 'given up the ghost', and
Dumbledore or Snape(!?!) revives him. Let's remember Snape's Draught
of the Living Dead from the first book, and the Elixer of Life which
comes from the Sorcerer's Stone. There are hints in the book that
someone can be protected from death, and while someone who is truly
dead can not be revived, there is some precedence for a gray area
between life and death, as in ghosts, Voldemort, and real-world
near-death experiences.

Side note: while the Stone has been destroy, that does NOT mean that
every last drop of the Elixer of Life has been destroyed. We know
Flamel has enough to get his affairs in order. But the man is 600
years old, in his life perspective, ten years is less that one year to
a normal person. Flamel might have enough Elixer to last him and his
wife a decade or two.

In Version 'B', through undertermined circumstances, Harry and Neville
cast the AK curse together. We already have a precedence for multiple
combined curses being more powerful than a single curse; it takes the
Stunners of six wizards to bring down a dragon.

Because of who they are, because of what fate and destiny have forced
on Neville and Harry through the Prophecy, they are uniquely able to
curse and kill Voldemort. After all, neither of them (Harry & Neville)
can live while the other (Voldemort) survives. And, because of the
combined power of their curses, Voldemort is not just vaporized, but
is truly killed. 

Also, note that it's unlikely that Voldemort's 'Protection
Enchantment' allowed for the possibility of being simultaniously
killed by two wizards. Because he was killed by two people, where does
is /Essential SELF/ go? Does it split? Is it so confused that it
doesn't know where to go, and therefore goes nowhere? 

A variation of Version 'A' and 'B', is that Hermione, Ron, and Neville
(add other characters as necessary and stir) all curse together, and
the combined power compounded by the transfer of /Essential Self/
confusion, does Voldemort in for good.

Finally, a lesser alternative, perhaps Voldemort isn't truly killed
this last time, maybe he is just vaporized again. But this time people
know what happened to him, and can be much more on guard against his
return. So, Voldemort gets his wish, he lives forever in vapor form,
vanquished but not truly dead. Doomed to his miserable, isolated
existance in the 'acursed' mountains of Albania.

In this last case, the moral of the story would be 'Constant
Vigilance', evil is never truly gone from this earth, and good men
must alway be on guard lest evil again gain a foothold.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn (often confused with but never truly duplicating the
real Lexicon Steve)