The Order's means of communication...

[Lisa (Jennings) Mamula]

No: HPFGUIDX 122608


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "adeptandinept" <ngermany at e...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com,
> 
> > LisaMarie said:
> >>> I am enclined to agree with Meng Yu, who stated upthread that 
> the > most likely means would be the Patronus *******(or something that 
> looks very much like a Patronus)*******, as we see it used in GoF when 
> DD summons Hagrid to the edge of the Forest when Crouch Sr. 
> appears and Krum is attacked.
> 
> > Reason #1 It requires /only/ a wand.  
> > Reason #2 DD is an Order member.  (obviously)
> > Reason #3 We didn't know about the Order at this time, but we were 
> > about to find out about it.
> > Reason #4 It is not vulnerable to interception or trickery 
> > (something else Jo mentions in the above link).
> 
> Adept:
> I dont agree with the patronus theory.  <snip>

>  JKR said, "a chocolate frog card, or any object that would have to 
> be remembered and carried on the person, would always be vulnerable 
> to loss, destruction or trickery. The Order communicates in a way 
> that requires nothing but a wand. You saw the Order's method of 
> communication in use even before you knew about the existence of the 
> Order; it was employed by an Order member."
> 
> Loss, destruction or trickery.  A wand is capable of being lost
> (Harry in GOF).  A wand is capable of being destroyed (Neville in 
> OotP).  I dont know of any evidence regarding trickery but why not? 

LisaMarie:
Yes, wands can be lost or destroyed, but JKR clearly states that the Order 
communicates in a way that requires only a wand.  So, I don't understand your 
arguement here, I'm afraid.  

Adept:
> I think JKR means something else.  I'm new here and am not ready to 
> jump into the fire, but I don't agree wholly with your 
> interpretation of her quote.

LisaMarie:
Wecome and greetings are in order, then!  This list is a great place to hang 
out.  Glad you're here.  I don't mind your disagreeing -- that's what makes this 
place so fun!  Really, I'm not 100% convinced that DD summoned Hagrid that 
night using a Patronus.  I AM 100% sure that *whatever* DD used, that it's the 
Order's means of communication.  It could be, as some respondents have 
noted, just another nifty JKR creation, a communication/messenger charm.  I 
just think it would be cool if it did turn out to be a Patronus, as JLV said 
upthread, because Patroni are so impressive, and they seem to be very 
useful, but only in an extremely limited context (i.e., when facing a Dementor). 
But, again, I fail to see how the susceptibility of wands to loss or destruction 
negates the fact that JKR says Order members need only a wand to 
communicate.  Help me out!