Why should Harry be expected to listen to anyone at Hogwarts?

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No: HPFGUIDX 122742


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lupinlore" <bob.oliver at c...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > There has been a huge discussion about Harry and whether or not he
> > should trust Snape.  My question is why on earth would Harry 
trust 
> any of the staff at Hogwarts?  Because they are teachers and he is a
> > student?  That is balderdash and reprehensible balderdash at 
that. 
> > Were  Harry my son I would be praising him to the skies every 
> summer for refusal to place trust where trust has not been earned.  
> It is the responsibility of the teacher to prove themselves worthy 
> of trust and respect, not the responsibility of the student to 
> respect someone just because they managed to wangle a job out of 
> some Board of Trustees.
> 
> Tonks now:
> 
> I totally disagree. A teacher or anyone in a position to be one's 
> superior is to be treated with the respect afforded their office. 
If 
> a parent has a problem with a teacher they have the right to be 
> heard. And if there is justification, the teacher can be let go. 
But 
> a CHILD is to be respectful to every adult simply because they are 
> an adult. And to a teacher because they are the child's superior. 
> They do not have to like the teacher, and they do not have to think 
> that the teacher knows best, they just have to treat the teacher 
> with respect. In a civilized society that is what people do!!! 
> Haven't we all had this arguement before?
> 
> 
>  Lupinlore said:
> > Who has earned Harry's trust (in terms of staff)?   Certainly not
> > McGonagall, who shows herself time and again to be incompetent at
> > securing fair treatment for him (Snip) And yes, it IS 
McGonagall's 
> job to secure justice for Harry in these situations.  This is 
> especially the case in that Harry has no parents to intercede for 
> him independently.  Certainly Harry cannot trust Snape, and 
> DEFINITELY not Dumbledore, whose sins against Harry are so numerous 
> that they can't be numbered. (SNIP)
> > Lupinlore
> 
> 
> Tonks now:
> McGonagall is Harry's teacher, not his parent. Yes, he has no 
> parents, but things are tough all over. She is not his parent and 
it 
> is not her job. Her job is to teach and as Head of House to make 
> sure that the students are safe and well behaved.
> 
> As to the comment about Dumbledore... I am with Hagrid. My wand is 
> out and pointed toward you >>>>  Never insult Albus Dumbledore in 
my 
> presence!!!!!
> 
> Tonks_op


Snow:

The duel is about to begin

In one corner we have Lupinlore backed by Alla that the teachers at 
Hogwarts School should indeed take care of Harry realizing his status 
as an orphan and that Dumbledore is at fault for the same crime

In the opposing corner we have Tonks rebuttal that the teachers at 
Hogwarts are not specifically responsible for parenting Harry


I'm going to have to side with the
underdog
Tonks
not just because 
she appears to be the underdog at the moment, but because I feel 
she's right


If it were only so easy to just accept a young, innocent, abused sole 
under your wing as a teacher
but it's not that easy
Harry has 
baggage. Harry is an emotionally abused soul that has lost his 
parents, due to Voldemort, has been made to live with the Dursley's, 
due to his mother's sacrifice
 not Dumbledore's preference to see or 
allow him to be abused in order to protect him. How can Dumbledore be 
faulted for using the only tool and the strongest tool he had 
available to him to protect Harry?

McGonnagall and Snape are both trusted by Dumbledore and are both 
aware of Harry's circumstances of being parentless but are also aware 
what Harry could mean to the Wizarding World as a whole. Both 
McGonnagall and Snape are both teachers and they both are teaching 
Harry lessons beyond the classroom setting, IMO; respect amongst 
other more important things that Harry (and the Harry filter;us) has 
yet to come to realize. 

Harry is not overly protected by anyone, like a parent would be

except were Sirius was concerned. Sirius has been the only one so far 
to break the rules of Harry not knowing too much by allowing him to 
ask questions and actually giving him answers
where he was not 
prohibited from doing so. Everyone else in the Order or "Plan" have 
just taught Harry what he needed to know and treated him as though he 
was an object to an eventual destruction, Weapon!Harry. Does this 
mean that all the teachers in the Order only see Harry as a weapon 

no, but their job in both accounts as a member of the Order and a 
teacher are to take orders and/or teach necessary lessons. Sirius, 
and Dumbledore in some circumstances, goes above and beyond. They are 
the balance that stabilizes Harry and his emotions. They are in fact 
his true teachers and caretakers. 

Snow