Innocent Albus? (was RE: Why should Harry...)

[lupinlore]

No: HPFGUIDX 122885


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lupinlore" <bob.oliver at c...> 
> wrote:
> 
> Lupinlore said:
> >When JKR speaks of DD she is speaking about the "epitome of 
> >goodness" that exists in her mind, NOT about the figure that exists 
> >in her books, for whom the title "epitome of goodness" often seems 
> >rather inappropriate.
> 
> 
> Tonks replies:
> I understand the difficulty of taking what you have in your mind and 
> putting it on paper in such a way as to convey what you really mean. 
> However, I do not think that JKR has a problem with that. I see DD 
> as the *epitome of goodness*. I see his as a very wise, very saintly 
> figure, so she conveyed her meaning to me. 
> 

Excellent!  In that case, as you say, I and others like me have a
difficulty with the books you do not.  That is perfectly fair.


> Lupinlore said:
> >But, back to the redemptive scenario for Alby. Here's how one such
> >sequence might play out, starting from Harry's arrival at Hogwarts:
> 
> >Albus knows that Harry lacks adult emotional support of the kind a
> >parent would provide. (SNIP)
> >The two obvious adults to "bring in" as a kind of support structure
> >for Harry would be Sirius and/or Remus. (Snip)
> 
> 
> Tonks replies:
> I don't think for one moment that DD is concerned with providing a 
> parental figure for Harry.  Harry is coming of age.  He has had his 
> parent figures (FLAWED that they be)

Yes, and whose fault is THAT?  Why, DD's of course!  Yes, Harry most
definitely DOES need loving adult figures in his life to replace those
he was denied by Dumbledore.  And yes, it IS DD's moral responsibility
to address that problem.  He made the decision that led to Harry being
abused for ten solid years.  It is now his place to give Harry recompense.


 and it is time for him to move 
> out into the world. DD is there and Harry turns to him when needed.  
> Harry does get emotional support from Hagrid, as an adult friend. 
> Harry is not a whimpering little boy that needs a mother to cling 
> to. True at one point in GoF he gets the emotional comforting that 
> he needs from Molly. That was very appropriate since Harry had been 
> through a very traumatic situation. But for the most part Harry is 
> strong and able to cope.  Like most children his age his peer group 
> is his main support.  
> 
> Lupinlore:
> >But, the events of the first year prove that Albus has indulged his
> >usual (but lovable) flaw of being too optimistic. Harry just isn't
> >ready to trust anyone, even someone so positive toward him as 
> Hagrid.
> 
> 
> Tonks here:
> I disagree. Optimism is not a flaw.

It is when it leads you into making mistakes.  Again.  And Again.  And
Again.  And Again.


 And Harry DOES trust. He trust 
> Hagrid and DD. He trusts his new friends.  Harry is not lacking in 
> basic trust. 
> 
> 
> Lupinlore said:
> >Year Four is brittle and somewhat desperate. (Snip) By now DD is in 
> >a state of panic. Not only has he singularly failed to provide an 
> >appropriate emotional support system for Harry, Harry is himself in 
> clear danger.
> 
> 
> Tonks replies:
> 
> OH GIVE ME A BREAK!

Kindly do not yell on these here electrons.


  DD is not *in a state of panic*.  DD is always 
> confident, and optimistic (as you have said yourself).  And I don't 
> think that with DD around that Harry is ever in as much danger as we 
> all think. I think that DD watches over Harry pretty well. 
> 
> Tonks_op
> (Wand still out and pointed>>>>>)

And kindly drop all the silly wand business.  It was cute the first
time.  You are well past that point.



Lupinlore