That Time Turner...3x1=3 and 3x1=3

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 122933


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "sandra87b" <sandra87b at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, this is my first ever post - and I'm almost finding 
> my way around this site...
> 
> Anyway, I'm writing in because I just don't get the time line of 
> Harry in the Prisoner Of Azkaban. Maybe someone can put me 
> straight on it? It didn't occur to me until I watched the dvd, and 
> now it spoils it all.
>
> My headache is tricky to explain but I'll have a go.
> 
> ...edited....

> 
> Ohh my head. Feel free to ignore this if you like, but if you do get 
> it thn please put me on track. Thank you! 
> 
> Sandra.


bboyminn:

Oooooowww.... nothing like a good Time Turner discusision to tax the
old brain.

First headache occurs when you think that time happened twice; it
didn't. It wasn't time that happened twice, it was Harry that happened
twice.

The Two Timeline idea is always spawned by looking at when Harry left
the timeline and went back in time, but that's not where the answer
lies. It lies in when Harry entered the timeline.

First we establish the frame of reference of the Universal Timeline.
That's the timeline that Fred, George, Seamus, Ginny, and everyone
else in the universe experience. 

It's late afternoon, Harry/Ron/Hermione come into the Entrance Hall
and hide in a closet. A minute or so later, at 6:00pm, Time Traveling
Harry and Hermione enter the Hall and hide in another closet. That
instance of 6pm only occurs ones in the Universal All-People Timeline.  

Four hours later, the second Harry saves the first. One timeline; two
Harry's. Two hours after that, at midnight (roughly), Normal Harry
goes back in time to 6pm, and Time Traveling Harry takes his place. 

But that 6pm is history, when it occurred, the second Harry was
already there. Why? Because the second Harry entered the timeline at 6pm.

It's true, Harry and Hermione experience that time twice, but the rest
of the world does not. To Fred, George, Ginny, etc... time never made
a U-Turn, only Harry and Hermione made a U-Turn in time. They did
experienced time twice. But they experienced it twice because there
were two of them there to experience each single hour.

Example:

Hermione goes to three classes at once, and that is indeed what
happens, time experiences one hour, but three Hermiones are there to
experience that same one hour

Schedule: (illustration)
1pm to 2pm - Arithmacy (Normal Time Hermione =NT!Hermione)
1pm to 2pm - DADA (First Time-Traveling Hermione =T1!Hermione)
1pm to 2pm - Charms (Second Time-Traveling Hermione = T2!Hemione)

In Universal time, to everyone except Hermione, that is one hour with
three Hermione's. 

To Hermione, because she is the /active/ meddler in time, she sees
three consecutive hours. That makes Hermione two hours older than
everyone else around here. In one hour, the world and all her friends
 move forward in time and aged one hour. Hermione, on the other hand,
moves forward in time and ages three hours in one hour. 

It's matter of perspective, from Hermione's perspective, she lives
three consecutive hours, and you wondered why she was so tired. From
the Univeral perspective, three Hermione's all lived during the same
one hour.

Despite, this still being a confusing unresolvable paradox, it is,
none the less, mathematically resolved.

Universal Time:
3 x 1 = 3
Three Hermiones x 1 hour = 3 separate hours = 3 separate classes

Hermione's Time Meddler's Time:
3 x 1 = 3
3 consecutive hours x 1 Hermione = 3 seperate hours = 3 separte classes

So, back to Harry saving himself. Harry wasn't able to do it because
time happened twice, he was able to do it because Harry happened
twice. Harry physically happend twice but only once in time.

Focus on Harry entering the timeline at 6pm, not on Harry leaving the
timeline at midnight.

Don't ya' just love it?

Steve/bboyminn