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>>Betsy: 
>Sorry, but you *have* hinted that Voldemort is not *Harry's* enemy.  
When you say that Harry was perfectly correct to sabotage his 
Occlumency lessons in order to put one over on his teacher, you are 
saying that Voldemort is not an actual threat.<
 
>>Eggplant: 
>Two points:
>1) I said Snape was (probably) sabotaging his Occlumency lessons, 
not Harry.<

Betsy:
I was referring to your gleeful approval of Harry sticking his nose 
in Snape's pensieve and thereby sabotaging the lessons.

>>Eggplant: 
>2) If Snape is a enemy it in no way implies that Voldemort is not.<

Betsy:
But you *are* implying that Voldemort is so unimportant an enemy it 
is better for Harry to pull one over on Snape than for Harry to learn 
Occlumency from him.

>>Betsy: 
>What Harry did would be the equivalent of a boxing student hiding 
behind a door and knocking his coach out with a shovel when the coach 
came back in the room.<

>>Eggplant:
>And if this were a war game rather than a very civilized boxing 
match then knocking his coach out with a shovel would be entirely 
appropriate.<

Betsy:
And if it was a war game rather than an Occlumency lesson, then 
betraying Snape's trust would have been appropriate.  And if Harry 
was a ballerina, Snape would need a pink tutu.  It's not a war game, 
it's not dance lessons, and it's not spy games.  It's an Occlumency 
lesson, and so what Harry did was wrong.  And stupid.  And it 
guaranteed Voldemort's success.  Well done Harry.  So sorry Sirius.

>>Eggplant: 
>Occlumency lessons are war games and you can bet the next time Harry 
fights Voldemort there will be no rules.<

Betsy:
No, Occlumency lessons are Occlumency lessons.  That's why they were 
always referred to as Occlumency lessons.  And in Occlumency lessons 
there *are* rules.  And if Harry fights Voldemort the next time as 
well as he faught him this time, the WW should practice their 
genuflecting.  'Cause Harry was Voldemort's little puppet in OotP.

>>Betsy: 
>Dumbledore doesn't ignore Harry when he accuses Snape of opening his 
(Harry's) mind to Voldemort. He answers simply, "I trust Severus 
Snape."<

>>Eggplant:
>No, he only said Snape's goading was not the reason Sirius left the 
house, he did not excuse Snape's crummy Occlumency lessons.<

Betsy:
Okay, you cut out the page number that sources my quote in the above 
snip.  It's (OotP p. 833 Scholastic) and I'll quote the entire 
passage.
"Snape made it worse, my scar always hurt worse after lessons with 
him --" Harry remembered Ron's thoughts on the subject and plunged 
on.  "How do you know he wasn't trying to soften me up for Voldemort, 
make it easier for him to get inside my --"
"I trust Severus Snape," said Dumbledore said simply."

Betsy