Dumbledore vs Harry(was:Imperius Resistance and Occlumency)

[eggplant9998]

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Me:
>>  nobody on the planet has more experience 
>>  in these matters than Harry has, and that
>>  includes Dumbledore. 

"horridporrid03"  wrote: 
> now you're being silly. Dumbledore defeated
> Grindelward in 1945, 

We know little about Grindelward except he must have been on the Dark
Wizard's second team because it is Voldemort not Grindelward who was
the most powerful Dark Wizard in a thousand years.

> has stood toe to toe with Voldemort when 
> every other wizard has failed 

That's not true, every other wizard didn't fail against Voldemort,
Harry didn't fail. Harry totally destroyed Voldemort's plans and
caused him severe setbacks at least 3 times, something Dumbledore has
never done. I'm not saying Dumbledore isn't powerful and I'm not
saying Voldemort isn't afraid of him, but when it comes to practical
down and dirty street level fighting against Voldemort Harry has more
experience and has been much more effective than Dumbledore.  So when
people try to explain Dumbledore's  treatment of Harry by talking
about how they treat their own little toddlers to keep them from
getting into trouble, well
., I just  think it's crazy.  Harry has
more right to patronize Dumbledore than Dumbledore has to treat Harry
like an infant.   

> Harry barely got away from Voldemort in GoF, 
> and that only because his wand was brother to Voldemort 

The fact that the wands were brothers gave Harry no advantage over
Voldemort. How did Harry force Voldemort's wand to regurgitate old
spells, why didn't Voldemort force Harry's wand to do so instead?
Because Harry won that little game of magical arm wrestling and forced
the beads of light to move toward the Dark Lord despite Voldemort
pushing in the opposite direction as hard as he could. At least on
that day Harry was stronger than Voldemort, it's surprising yes but I
see how else you can interpret that scene.  

> Every other time he's come close to facing 
> Voldemort full on, Dumbledore has been there
> to pull his fat from the fire. 

Not in their very first encounter, and not in the one in book 2.

> If he were to kick Dumbledore to the curb now,
> Voldemort would have his hide by the end of the
> first chapter of the next book. 

Perhaps a few years ago that was true but I don't think so today. In
fact I have a very strong hunch Dumbledore will get killed in the next
book and Harry will be on his own. We'll know for sure in 6 months.

Eggplant